# A Challenge to Modern Liberals Regarding their Fealty to the Principles they Espouse **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 11, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-modern-liberals-regarding-their-fealty-to-the-principles-they-espouse/660693 "2013-06-11T02:57:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 109
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-modern-liberals-regarding-their-fealty-to-the-principles-they-espouse/660693/109 "2013-06-12T21:47:31Z")
> [@jayarod7](#): > > Okay, to facts and empirical evidence mean anything to you? Our dollar was pegged to gold from our founding until 1971. Got it? Did our entire society collapse? Repeatedly. Booms and busts were far worse then. Recall the Great Depression? > [@jayarod7](#): > > Secondly, are you serious when you claim that we don’t have government growth which the American people are unable to curtail? They don’t want to curtail it, except for the other guy. “Get your government hands off my Medicare!” The anti-government movement is fundamentally in denial of reality. > [@jayarod7](#): > > Lets even suppose that a majority of Americans actually want the government to do everything they are doing (this is not the case). If the American people wanted to shrink the government, how would they do it? By flinging themselves off cliffs so there’s fewer people to govern. Or something equally self destructive; our government is already too small, not too large to do what we want of it. > [@jayarod7](#): > > Even more serious is that the Federal Reserve can spend more money than the entire rest of the government and do it in secret. Yeah, suuuure it does. This is conspiracy theory stuff. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-modern-liberals-regarding-their-fealty-to-the-principles-they-espouse/660693)._