# A challenge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626 "2008-09-22T02:20:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lama\_Pacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Lama\_Pacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lama_Pacos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/41 "2008-09-23T03:54:47Z")
The problem is, “politics” isn’t some sort of fantasy football league. It’s real decisions that have extremely real consequences. Not talking about it benefits the powerful who don’t care whether the decisions made mean we have no jobs, or our homes get destroyed, or our loved ones die. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/42 "2008-09-23T04:18:16Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Nobody really gives a rat’s ass what your political feelings are. I understand how you feel. Four years ago during the run-up to the Bush/Kerry election things were so partisan on the conservative side, so full of lies and misdirection and bullshit, that I left the board for months. I didn’t come back until April. Didn’t want to be a part of it. Funny how that works when your favorite candidate comes up short; you just don’t want to hear about it. Seems like the shoe is on the other foot, now: now, when the Straight Talk Express has turned into the Stumbling Old Man, you want to put your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA LA LA, this can’t be happening. So in the light of my experience of last election’s TOWERING REPUBLICAN BULLSHIT, I’m going to say no. Deal. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Dave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Great\_Dave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Dave)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/43 "2008-09-23T05:43:45Z")
Here’s a challenge for you- find me a GOOD reason to vote for McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/44 "2008-09-23T05:58:00Z")
> [@Great\_Dave](#): > > Here’s a challenge for you- find me a GOOD reason to vote for McCain. Because for 5-1/2 years, he couldn’t vote for anyone. You would be helping him catch up, kinda. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/45 "2008-09-23T06:06:50Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Do you mean that to the degree that the Christian establishment made faulty concessions to the Gnostic view that matter is evil? Well, yes that for starters, but most especially the resulting view that procreation is an inevitable but sinful act. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/46 "2008-09-23T06:44:43Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > We have 8 other forums for people who don’t want to debate Politics - 7, if you want to exclude the Pit, where a substantial number of political rants reside. If 7 other forums aren’t enough for him, then he needs to find another message board that forbids political discourse. Those other forums have been pretty busy with politics related threads too. But, yeah. If you don’t like it, leave. Not a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/47 "2008-09-23T07:14:05Z")
If Clothahump gets his way, the terrorists have won. ---
**Author:** ![bbs2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@bbs2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbs2k)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/48 "2008-09-23T12:21:05Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Then report the post to a moderator and ask for the title to be modified for clarity. I’m **still** not interested in being told I should refrain from political discussions because it upsets poor **Clothahump**. Alllll right. > [@](#): > > Dear moderator, > > The title of this thread is very confusing. I would like to avoid all political threads because they offend my delicate sensibilities and this title did not preemptively alert me to the content inside. > > In order to further protect me from subject matters that would cause further harm could you change the title, or at least request that the OP keep in mind the feelings of other members in the future? > > Your’s truly, > **bbs2k** ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/49 "2008-09-23T14:27:19Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I’m **still** not interested in being told I should refrain from **political discussions** because it upsets poor Clothahump. . (my bold) Political discussions? On the Dope? I’m not sure those words mean what you think they mean. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/50 "2008-09-23T14:32:22Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Sounds good to me, but I would settle for Mods advising posters to stop and [maybe they have started](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10225344#post10225344). ..and yet a handful of posts later… [sigh](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10230088&postcount=50) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/51 "2008-09-23T14:40:05Z")
> [@CircleofWillis](#): > > ..and yet a handful of posts later… [sigh](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10230088&postcount=50) At least that wasn’t tied to the elections. It was just a drive by jab at America that has some truth to it if considered for only the last few decades. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/52 "2008-09-23T14:48:55Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > At least that wasn’t tied to the elections. It was just a drive by jab at America that has some truth to it if considered for only the last few decades. Still… another shitty partisan jab in a thread that it didn’t belong in… The fact that it didn’t mention someone by name is a distinction without a difference IMHO ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/53 "2008-09-23T14:56:52Z")
> [@CircleofWillis](#): > > Still… another shitty partisan jab in a thread that it didn’t belong in… The fact that it didn’t mention someone by name is a distinction without a difference IMHO Not quite the same and for two reasons. \*\*Red Fury \*\*is I believe from Spain and does not live in the US and even considers are Democratic party to be too far too the right. I don’t think it actually was a partisan jab, I think it was just an anti-America jab. As this thread is about too much election talk and my point was that it slips into other threads now far too often, \*\*Red Fury’s \*\*short rant is not really the same. Besides, though he did not bother to flesh out his post, he is probably correct. We have invaded more nations over the last 25 years than any other nation I can think of. In most cases for damn good reason and playing policeman, but it still does not change the fact that the US has. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/54 "2008-09-23T14:58:55Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Not quite the same and for two reasons. > > \*\*Red Fury \*\*is I believe from Spain and does not live in the US and even considers are Democratic party to be too far too the right. I don’t think it actually was a partisan jab, I think it was just an anti-America jab. > > As this thread is about too much election talk and my point was that it slips into other threads now far too often, \*\*Red Fury’s \*\*short rant is not really the same. Besides, though he did not bother to flesh out his post, he is probably correct. We have invaded more nations over the last 25 years than any other nation I can think of. In most cases for damn good reason and playing policeman, but it still does not change the fact that the US has. You are absolutely correct and do know some of RedFury’s posting history (am one of those cheap non-paying bastards that lurked forever).. Maybe it’s just a raw nerve that ANY shot at America (Fuck, yeah!) is a partisan shot given the current climate. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/55 "2008-09-23T16:08:42Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > \ > \*\*Red Fury \*\*is I believe from Spain and does not live in the US and even considers are Democratic party to be too far too the right. I don’t think it actually was a partisan jab, I think it was just an anti-America jab. People from other countries consider the Democratic party to be on the right, too. Like, for instance, Canada. 🙂 > [@](#): > > \ In most cases for damn good reason and playing policeman, but it still does not change the fact that the US has. For what the US leaders _considered_ to be damn good reasons. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/56 "2008-09-23T16:45:13Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > …In most cases for \*damn good reason \*and playing policeman, but it still does not change the fact that the US has. (Emphasis added for sarcasm) Just so. Heaven only knows what dreadful consequences have been averted by our timely invasion of Grenada, given its vast strategic reserves of jute and beach sand. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/57 "2008-09-23T16:52:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > (Emphasis added for sarcasm) > > Just so. Heaven only knows what dreadful consequences have been averted by our timely invasion of Grenada, given its vast strategic reserves of jute and beach sand. “Mr. President, we must not allow a jute gap!” ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/58 "2008-09-23T17:14:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > (Emphasis added for sarcasm) > > Just so. Heaven only knows what dreadful consequences have been averted by our timely invasion of Grenada, given its vast strategic reserves of jute and beach sand. Yup, that’s why we invaded. :rolleyes: America has a long tradition of wanting to protect its sphere of influence. Our direct involvement in the Caribbean has a lot to do with keeping European influence out. Russia subsidizes Cuba so Cuba can support insurrections in Angola, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Columbia, and Grenada. America finally says no and yet we’re the aggressors? ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/59 "2008-09-23T17:49:12Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > **A Challenge** > > Nobody really gives a rat’s ass what your political feelings are. So let’s try something. > > Nobody posts anything in any forum that is politically oriented. No more bitching about McCain/Obama/Biden/Palin/libs/conservatives/whatever. Let’s see if we can do this until the elections. > (…) I dunno… that doesn’t sound like an interesting challenge. How about this instead: for the next month everyone types their posts while keeping two fingers in their nose. ---
**Author:** ![Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/13edae/32.png) [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interconnected_Series_of_Tubes)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626/60 "2008-09-23T21:13:50Z")
No, seriously. Lots of us really wish you’d all shut the fuck up about politics and get over yourselves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge/464626.md?page=4)