# A Congressional Black Caucus is ok but a Congressional White Caucus is not. Why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 22, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743 "2011-11-22T13:43:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Buchanan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Buchanan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buchanan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/81 "2011-11-24T03:51:14Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > As a white man, I consider that the USA is the National Organization for the Advancement of a Few White People over the Rest of Us. I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil, or South Africa in our future. Wake up. 60 years ago whites were ~30% of the globe; now they are ~10%. Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/82 "2011-11-24T04:01:12Z")
Does anyone else find it amusing Shodan has not returned to admit he didn’t understand de facto is contradictory to “official”? Usually he returns for pages and pages of argument, but on this instance he is so blatantly FACTUALLY wrong, I would’ve liked to see him try to wiggle out of it a while longer. 😛 > [@Buchanan](#): > > rule of law You’re a racist so I doubt you have the capacity for learning but on the offchance that this will sink in, [One of the oldest existing writings in the world](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi%27s_Code) was a code of law written by a King who was not white. In other words the farthest back historical evidence we have for rule of law is from a non-European culture. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/83 "2011-11-24T04:48:07Z")
Well, now, keep in mind that was when the Aryan super-race centered around Mesopotamia. They stopped over in Europe for several millenia, and then on to Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/84 "2011-11-24T04:50:38Z")
> [@strumtesco](#): > > Someone please help me understand…?:rolleyes: I don’t think anyone can. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/85 "2011-11-24T05:49:17Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil, or South Africa in our future. Wake up. 60 years ago whites were ~30% of the globe; now they are ~10%. Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. Yeah, sure, as if, Paddy. [/snark] Since this isn’t the Pit, let me point out that not all white people are “my group” and many “mixed-race” people are “my group,” so this doesn’t really cut any ice with me. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/86 "2011-11-24T06:14:07Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > You’re a racist so I doubt you have the capacity for learning . . . . Stating that someone is a racist, particularly when they have not chosen to identify themselves as such, is unnecessarily provocative. Linking that pejorative to a claim that it is an indication that they are mentally deficient is clearly an insult. Do not repeat this in Great Debates, (or anywhere outside The BBQ Pit). [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/87 "2011-11-24T06:32:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Stating that someone is a racist, particularly when they have not chosen to identify themselves as such, is unnecessarily provocative. > > [/Moderating] Seriously, it is provocative for me to call these beliefs: > [@](#): > > Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. racist? What do you call it? Will not insult again though, but there is no way he can say something like THAT and _I_ am the provocative one. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/88 "2011-11-24T07:54:13Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil Funny that you mention Brazil, where nearly half of the population identifies as mixed (pardo), there is significantly less inter-racial tension, and the women are smoking hot. Sign me up, please. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/89 "2011-11-24T08:34:59Z")
Got the importanat part of that right here in MN, and I don’t have to learn Portugese. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/90 "2011-11-24T13:05:22Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > Seriously, it is provocative for me to call these beliefs: > > racist? What do you call it? Will not insult again though, but there is no way he can say something like THAT and _I_ am the provocative one. Maybe it just falls in the nasty/jerk category…who knows? BTW…I’d like to come out as being _de facto_ black. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/91 "2011-11-24T14:36:37Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil, or South Africa in our future. Wake up. 60 years ago whites were ~30% of the globe; now they are ~10%. Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. … … … Hahahahahahahahahaha! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/92 "2011-11-24T16:42:22Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. As opposed to organized government of any sort, agriculture, domestication of animals, the ability to create fire, the FRIGGIN WHEEL, writing of any sort, the printing press (both with or without movable type), ocean going vessels, metallurgy, carpentry, or pretty much all the basic technologies which enable any sort of modern civilization? Even accepting this questionable premise, trying to claim “any of the other contributions” means just stuff from the last century (plus or minus) is rather ridiculous and short-sighted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/93 "2011-11-24T16:54:11Z")
Heck, cultural isolationism and protectionism is why the world _isn’t_ culturally dominated by the Chinese, I figure. They were inward-looking at a critical time in the 1500s when Europeans began colonizing and exploiting the Americas. So when I see arguments that whiteness has to be protected, I tend to think, “yep, that’ll end well.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/94 "2011-11-24T17:09:53Z")
You see, Mr Buchanan, that’s why God invented whiskey, so the Irish wouldn’t rule the world. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/95 "2011-11-24T17:42:22Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > Seriously, it is provocative for me to call these beliefs: > > racist? What do you call it? Will not insult again though, but there is no way he can say something like THAT and _I_ am the provocative one. You did not say “your statements are racist.” You said that he was a racist. You then went further and claimed that the fact that he was racist precluded his ability to learn. Those statements are insulting. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/96 "2011-11-25T02:27:08Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil, or South Africa in our future. Wake up. 60 years ago whites were ~30% of the globe; now they are ~10%. Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. Well, I suppose this was going to end up in the Pit eventually. ---
**Author:** ![northdakotatroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@northdakotatroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/northdakotatroy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/97 "2011-11-25T02:48:17Z")
> [@strumtesco](#): > > Someone please help me understand…?:rolleyes: Because it’s wrong. That’s why. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/98 "2011-11-25T03:15:57Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil, or South Africa in our future. Wake up. 60 years ago whites were ~30% of the globe; now they are ~10%. Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. Snap out of it. Races have made contributions since we recognized races. What’s happening as mankind progresses is that races are mixing. Hopefully we’ll get to a point where we know and appreciate what ever heritage we may have, but not let it be a dividing factor. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/99 "2011-11-25T04:27:58Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > I agree. And if we keep ignoring our group interests, the entire US will look like California, Brazil, or South Africa in our future. Wake up. 60 years ago whites were ~30% of the globe; now they are ~10%. Whites are the real minority to be protected - that is, if you value modern medicine, democracy and human rights, the internet, airplanes, electricity, rule of law, space exploration, or any of the other contributions they nearly exclusively create but which all benefit from. What do you mean by “our group interests”? What does “our group” refer to? Also, please define “white”? Who do you consider white and who don’t you. Do you consider Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Portugese, Lebanese, Syrians, Jews and Palestinians white? If some of the groups listed don’t fit your definition of white, please tell us which ones don’t and why. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BeaMyra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@BeaMyra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeaMyra)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743/100 "2011-11-25T13:08:25Z")
There’s more too it than white people don’t need one. For instance if I were in Washington DC or Detroit which have black majorities and founded a “white caucus” dealing with that city, I would be called racist, regardless of the actual racial make up or control is [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-congressional-black-caucus-is-ok-but-a-congressional-white-caucus-is-not-why/603743.md?page=6)