# A curiosity question about Marvel Universe characters from a non-follower **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 18, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333 "2023-11-18T16:56:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333/21 "2023-11-21T02:27:25Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > But MCU Hawkeye shot a 36 in golf….that’s not really something a normal human can do. I thought his signature line was _“played 18; shot 18.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333/22 "2023-11-21T02:33:30Z")
Potato….potato ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333/23 "2023-11-22T09:42:58Z")
In the first issue of MIGHTY AVENGERS (Bendis run), Carol Danvers and Tony Stark are discussing who should be recruited, and they agreed that they needed a Thor, a Wolverine and a ninja. They considered Daredevil for the ninja slot, but decided he had too much baggage at that point, and decided to recruit Black Widow, a very good spy and martial artist. In a THUNDERBOLTS story, where she is trying to lure the more decent members of the team away from Baron Zemo/Citizen V, she straight up admits to them that she’s a crap superhero, but a pretty decent spy. Super powers? Hard to say. She’s had physical augmentations (One story claimed these left her unable to have children, but in another, she is one of several women Matt Murdock got pregnant right before he was murdered). Another story claimed she is actually a clone of an earlier Black Widow. I have to wonder how much of this stuff is actually canon, or if she just lays out bullshit tidbits about her past out of habit. Her training and conditioning have pushed her to the apex of “normal human” strength and capability. So in that sense, she’s not particularly “super.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333/24 "2023-11-22T15:26:55Z")
Of course, Captain America’s abilities are canonically also at “the peak of human ability”. Everything he can do, some other “normal” human could do; what’s super about him is that he can do all of them. Though this is stretched somewhat: Like, he can run as fast as an Olympic sprinter, but he can keep up that pace for a whole marathon. Sprinters exist and marathon runners exist, but nobody can do both at once. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333/25 "2023-11-22T15:40:14Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I loved that one of the Avengers movies starts with Natasha (BW) tied to a chair, being tortured for information by Scary Ruskies and a Scary General. One of their phones rings, he says to the general “Eet ees for her…” It’s Fury, and she replies _“Now? Oh, come on. He’s given me almost all the information we need, I just need a few more… Oh, all right.”_ Just to be pedantic: It’s _The Avengers_, and it’s Coulson on the phone. _ **Agent Phil Coulson:** You’re at 114 Solenski Plaza, 3rd floor. We have an F-22 exactly eight miles out. Put the woman on the phone or I will blow up the block before you can make the lobby._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-curiosity-question-about-marvel-universe-characters-from-a-non-follower/993333.md?page=1)