So you’re saying that saying somebody is full of murder, envy, strife, and hatred, and saying they’re insolent, arrogant, heartless, faithless, senseless, and ruthless, and that they “invent ways of doing evil” ISN’T a sign of hatred? Just that his god thinks it’s a deal breaker?
Pull the other one, its got bells on it. You’ve already shown that your claims were totally contradictory and made up, why don’t you acknowledge that and apologize rather than backsliding into obvious BS?
I’m curious, if I said that “Christians are full of murder and hatred, they are arrogant and ruthless, and their religion is just an invention to do evil”, would you accept that statement as totally non-hateful, and just factual according to my valid beliefs?
In the early 1990s, a dude in North Carolina, after being acquitted of rape charges for a possibly nonconsensual blowjob he received, was convicted of crimes against nature for receiving same blowjob. You’re wrong.
That’s not what he said or at least that’s not what I think he said. He’s talking about mankind in general and not homosexuals. It wasn’t a well structured statement. And I wouldn’t use the word logic when discussing religion or morality.
Saying “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil.” is obviously a bigoted thing to say about any group – whether someone says this about blacks, Jews (and very similar things were said routinely about Jews throughout history in Europe), women, or homosexuals.
And his implicit dismissal of the brutality of Jim Crow is similarly bigoted, if not quite as straight-forward.
That being said, I’m sure A&E made their decision based on business considerations and not moral considerations. Time will tell whether it was the right business decision, but I don’t have any problem with it as a moral decision.
Sorry, but that is what he said. “That’s not what he said” is the most ridiculous refutation I’ve ever seen. If you’re going to go with the “that’s not what he said” route, you’re just admitting that you have no possible defense and aren’t willing to be honest about it.
He also said that applies to lesbians. Can you explain how the hell your fascination with anal sex applies to them?
It wasn’t a well structured statement, but in context, it’s pretty clear he was talking about “men with men” and “women with women” (which he refers to in the immediately preceding sentence).
I was only thinking of his one comment in GQ when I made that statement. I don’t think it’s wise to introduce other comments since we can’t even agree on the first one.
But given how desperately people are rushing to take the first one out of context and make it much worse than it is, I’m not inclined to take this new one at face value until I know more.
Yes, he clearly is saying gay acts are immoral based on his religious beliefs. Again, he’s obligated by the same belief system to love the sinner. By his own criteria he risks the wrath of his god.
I don’t expect gay people to like this guy but that doesn’t mean he in turn hates them.
Here ya go then:Phil Robertson has spoken out publicly for the first time since GQ published comments he made condemning homosexuality as sinful and suggesting that African Americans were perfectly happy under Jim Crow laws. He did not address the racist remarks, but used a small group Bible study on Sunday to defend his rebukes of homosexuality, claiming he was merely quoting the Bible.
[QUOTE=Phil Robertson]
We murder each other and we steal from one another, sex and immorality goes ballistic. All the diseases that just so happen to follow sexual mischief… boy there are some microbes running around now. Sexual sins are numerous and many, I have a few myself. So what is your safest course of action? If you’re a man, find yourself a woman, marry them and keep your sex right there. You can have fun, but one thing is for sure, as long as you are both healthy in the first place, you are not going to catch some debilitating illness, there is safety there.
Commonsense says we are not going to procreate the human race unless we have a man and a woman. From the beginning Jesus said, “It is a man and a woman.” Adam was made and Eve was made for this reason. They left their fathers and mothers and be united to become one flesh, that’s what marriage is all about. But we looked at it and said it was an outdated stereotype. When you look back at the human race, the sins have always been the same: We get high, we get drunk, we get laid, we steal and kill. Has this changed at all from the time God burnt up whole cities because their every thought was evil?
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious. Sexual immorality, is number one on the list. How many ways can we sin sexually? My goodness. You open up that can of worms and people will be mad at you over it. I am just reading what was written over 2000 years ago. Those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom. All I did was quote from the scriptures, but they just didn’t know it. Whether I said it, or they read it, what’s the difference? The sins are the same, humans haven’t changed. […]
But there’s a way out, do you want to hear the rest of the story or what? Jesus will take sins away, if you’re a homosexual he’ll take it away, if you’re an adulterer, if you’re a liar, what’s the difference? If you break one sin you may as well break them all. If we lose our morality, we will lose our country. It will happen. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all walk around without stealing from each other and killing each other?
Yes, 45% of people in the US are homophobic. What does the percentage have to do with anything? You think something stops being bigotry if enough people agree with it? What percentage of people in the US in 1940 thought Jim Crow was a good idea? If it was 45% or more, does that make segregation not racist?
Are they hate filled? No, probably not. But who said they were? You don’t have to be Fred Phelps level crazy to be a homophobe. You just have to think that it’s worse to be gay than it is to be straight. Everything else is just a matter of degree.
No, we over here on the “liberal left” understand his message perfectly. You’re the one who can’t hear the dog whistle, as the video Magiver just linked to so amply illustrates. “Hate the sin, love the sinner” is, with very few exceptions, a lie people tell themselves so they can treat gay people like shit without having to feel bad about themselves.
Why do you have to go that extra step to make up falsehoods about him? You got the first half right. He thinks homosexuality is sinful. Good work. You didn’t accuse him of hating or anything above what he actually did.]
But you go off the rails in the second half of the sentence. He never said “African Americans were perfectly happy under Jim Crow laws”. He was only speaking of his personal experience, first of all. He wasn’t talking about all blacks. Secondly, he wasn’t talking about Jim Crow laws. He was talking about the damage that welfare has done to blacks.
I know you guys think you can just repeat this often enough and it will become true, but it wont.
Why do you have to go that extra step to make up things that I didn’t say? I actually quoted the article VERBATIM. But hey, you got it all wrong. You should be proud or something since “good work” snark was taken by you.
I posted a video of what was said before and after what was quoted above. It appears to me he’s talking about morality in general. It doesn’t make sense that he attributes all the ills of the world to gay people but that he lumped what he believes is an immoral life style into the list.
The whole, rambling, craziness is (for now) available on YouTube.
I’m starting to wonder if ol’ Phil thinks “They’re evil because they’re gay.” or “They’re gay because they’re evil.” (where “evil”, apparently, includes disagreeing with Phil’s understanding of both the Bible, the existence and nature of (G)god(s), and the Universe), I’m starting to lean towards the later :eek:.