# A Euro 2004 thread - better late than never....(It's about soccerball) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 11, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832 "2004-06-11T16:17:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/61 "2004-06-15T15:01:47Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > (see the Grolsch adverts fior an example). Schtop! This football team is not ready yet! ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/62 "2004-06-15T15:15:38Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > Can they call Frank Rijkaard back up to spit in Rudi Vollers face again? > > That was class! Revisionist liar! Frankie would never stoop so low as to spit someone in the face! He did drop a loogie on that [ugly Scorpions-style hair](http://home.t-online.de/home/psychiatrie/rijkaard_90voeller.jpg) Völler sported, though. 😃 But seriously, now. There’s no excuse for that. No, really. Besides, [they kissed and made up.](http://www.zuivelonline.nl/pages/doelgroep_frames.asp?doelgroep=9&module=422) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/63 "2004-06-15T15:41:17Z")
Not that I condone that sort of behaviour, but it was Rudi Voller… ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/64 "2004-06-15T16:17:33Z")
> [@gum](#): > > **owlstretchingtime** , Money? Lots of it? I disagree with **gum**. I would say that money is definitely one of the main causes. Ever since the days of Cruyff and even before then, the Dutch footballers have been very _sensitive_ when it comes to anything having to do with money. In 1974 Cruyff refused to wear the Adidas shirts with three stripes, since he had a contract with Puma. So, he got to wear a shirt with two stripes on the sleeves. Then three days before the World Cup started the players threatened strike actions because they thought the bonuses were too low! With the Dutch, money is a very large motivating factor. 😃 Also, I don’t condone Rijkaard’s spitting at Völler either (they call Rijkaard “the camel” in Germany), but I’m sure that Völler must have said something (most likely racist) first. Völler basically grew up in the working calss parts of Hanau, which are not exactly known for their openness and friendliness to foreigners. ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/65 "2004-06-15T16:20:04Z")
> [@Mycroft Holmes](#): > > I disagree with **gum**. I **mean** that I **agree** with **gum**. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/66 "2004-06-15T16:24:10Z")
Well, we’re a nation of incredible cheapskates. It is one of our great strengths, but in football, it might be our downfall. And has been, a few times… ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/67 "2004-06-15T19:00:08Z")
Hmm… Looks like Kuranyi thought he was Maradonna for a moment there… ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/68 "2004-06-15T19:56:16Z")
anyone know why Davids was taken off? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/69 "2004-06-15T20:59:43Z")
It’s a good thing I didn’t bet for money… Believe me, **Mycroft Holmes** , not just football players are sensitive about money. 😃 Oh, and never mark my words again. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/70 "2004-06-15T22:39:43Z")
Yikes. We were lucky to get away with 1-1, although in fairness, we obviously watched two teams that won’t win the championship, tonight. Why Davids was taken off? No clue. Ask Dickie. I think he was doing all right. But no Dutch player truly _excelled_. And I’m damn glad they didn’t field Schweinsteiger from the start, that kid’s damn dangerous. Perhaps it could have been a different result had Van Nistelrooy scored so early in the match, or if Van der Vaart had gotten that cross shot in. But all in all, 1-1 was a fair result for the quality of the match. Which was mediocre from both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/71 "2004-06-16T04:18:34Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > anyone know why Davids was taken off? Because he was crap? Dreadful first half…much better second half. Fair result. Van Hooijdonk & Overmars better start against the Czechs. ---
**Author:** ![gouda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c77e96/32.png) [@gouda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gouda)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/72 "2004-06-16T07:29:04Z")
I think the difference between the two was that Germany planned better than Holland. Schweinsteiger impressed me most last night. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/73 "2004-06-16T10:22:01Z")
Bloody tasteless-cheese eating draw monkeys. That’s £20 down the drain then. So far I have a 100% record at the bookies thanks to Holland Italy and Portugal. So far the only team that have impressed me are the Swedes. The contest is wide open. In todays press it says tha the refs have been told to go easy on thered cards, especially on goalies. This explains a few things. ---
**Author:** ![gouda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c77e96/32.png) [@gouda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gouda)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/74 "2004-06-16T10:59:16Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > In todays press it says tha the refs have been told to go easy on thered cards, especially on goalies. This explains a few things. What things? ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/75 "2004-06-16T11:01:15Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > Bloody tasteless-cheese eating draw monkeys. That’s £20 down the drain then. Tell me about it, I’m having shocking luck in this tournament with my bets. Yesterday, as well as backing Holland, I laid Czech Republic (i.e. backed any result other than Czech win) on Betfair, with 20 mins left and them losing 1-0. I thought they might get one back, but 2? No chance, I thought. So after placing my bet I got in the car and drove down to my girlfriend’s house… no sooner was I on the motorway than I put the radio on and heard the Czech Republic score their second. ☹ Today’s bets, in case you want to oppose them and make some money: Portugal to beat Russia Spain to beat Greece Correct score 2-0 Spain and 2-1 Spain ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/76 "2004-06-16T11:47:54Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > Bloody tasteless-cheese eating draw monkeys. 😃 Heh. Shut up, you Stilton-stuffing last-minute-loss chimp. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/77 "2004-06-16T11:49:32Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > Today’s bets, in case you want to oppose them and make some money: > > Correct score 2-0 Spain and 2-1 Spain Just to clarify here: you bet that Spain would win 2-0 or 2-1, and made no bet on the Portugal-Russia scoreline? ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/78 "2004-06-16T18:13:24Z")
Yeah. You’d think they could have done a Zidane with that injury-time free kick ☹ ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/79 "2004-06-16T19:38:36Z")
Originally Posted by **owlstretchingtime** [QUOTE] _Bloody tasteless-cheese eating draw monkeys_ [QUOTE] Hey! Insult my football players, insult their coach, insult their silly sunglasses, but don’t insult my cheese! _:: devouring a piece of old cumin/Leidse ::_ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Arch\_Trout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@Arch\_Trout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arch_Trout)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2004, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832/80 "2004-06-16T20:15:31Z")
What a result. Greece drawing with Spain. They’re bound to beat Russia and top that group. Which means if england come second in their group it’ll be England v Greece in the quarter finals. Free kick your way out of that one becks 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-euro-2004-thread-better-late-than-never-its-about-soccerball/249832.md?page=5)