# A fag by any other name...well is just a fag... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267 "2003-03-14T05:10:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/81 "2003-03-14T21:17:09Z")
How do you know I wasn’t using the term ‘complete fucking idiot’ in a nice way? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/82 "2003-03-14T21:27:58Z")
His grammar sounds like **Wildest Bill** and his homophobia sounds like **Gene Stoner**. Blech. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/83 "2003-03-14T21:55:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lamia \* > \*\*I’ll bet I’m the only one who read the thread title as “A faq by any other name…” and thought it was going to be a rant about Frequently Asked Question files. \*\* I did too. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/84 "2003-03-14T22:02:23Z")
**Bindrah** , just for perspective, there have been negative references by some posters on here (some of whom happen to be gay, some of whom were not) to “muscle marys”, “twinks”, etc. People were offended by the use there as well. IIRC **gobear** and **jayjay** have taken heat in the past (here and in livejournal, IIRC, the latter of which necessarily being off-limits as it was only brought up anecdotally) for doing so. It’s not necessarily a groupthink mentality if many people happen to think the same thing. And if you were to go to, for example, GD or IMHO and open up a thread there to that effect, you might be surprised at the many and varied reasons people are offended by _whatever_. Or, in turn, are _not_ offended by whatever. [sub]What _is_ it with the recent rash of “folks who just don’t give a fuck”?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/85 "2003-03-14T22:07:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by niko996 \* > In my opinion, if you’ve had sex with your same sex your are gay. It doesn’t matter weither or not you are bi-sexual. Someone needs to tell the sysadmin at Bob Jones University that their filters are being bypassed. Behold the power of prayer:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/86 "2003-03-14T22:30:25Z")
I thought a “sheeny” was someone who thinks that just 'cause they’ve been in a few popular movies, all of a sudden they’ve got massively important political insights that they must share with everyone on the goddamned planet. Isn’t that what they mean when they say Hollywood is full of sheenies? ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/87 "2003-03-14T22:32:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\* > > And the whole “str8-looking, str8-acting” thing? _So_ very tired. Try easing up on the overt self-loathing, m’kay? \*\* Now we’re getting to the real problem… **Bindrah** , I’m not offended at all. I just hope you can find a way to accept yourself. ---
**Author:** ![that\_darn\_cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@that\_darn\_cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/that_darn_cat)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/88 "2003-03-14T22:35:54Z")
Chalk up one more as offended. And since all my gay brethen have taken such a high road, I’ll be crass. Fuck you, you self-loathing piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/89 "2003-03-14T22:39:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pkbites \* > \*\*I’m a member of the smallest minority group. (Only about 4% of the population has red/orange hair). Does that mean when my wife gets mad at me and calls me _Pumpkin Head_ she’s guilty of hate speech?😛 \*\* That depends. Are you absolutely sure that she’s referring to the color of your head, rather than to its contents? Cf. “puddin’ head” and “mush-brain.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/90 "2003-03-14T22:41:03Z")
“Shirtlifter”, as I 've recently learned, is perfectly acceptable though. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/91 "2003-03-14T22:51:10Z")
> [@](#): > > IIRC gobear and jayjay have taken heat in the past (here and in livejournal, IIRC, the latter of which necessarily being off-limits as it was only brought up anecdotally) for doing so. Say what? I have taken heat for many things, but I don’t think I haver called anyone a “muscle mary” or a “twink.” ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/92 "2003-03-14T22:58:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*“Shirtlifter”, as I 've recently learned, is perfectly acceptable though. \*\* A gay friend told me last night that “Molly Coddle” is offensive to gay people. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Encinitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Encinitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Encinitas)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/93 "2003-03-14T23:47:03Z")
> [@](#): > > ## _Originally posted by lno_ It’s been a few years since FreakFreely’s classic self-destruction. This may be the new, upgrade lite version. > > _Originally posted by Barrytown_ > OK, wow. I just _had_ to research that, didn’t I? And now it’s 2 hours later. Oh **Barrytown** I looked up the Freaky meltdown too. I want my 2 hours back! ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/94 "2003-03-15T00:28:09Z")
**gobear** , I coulda sworn there was another thread, but my best search efforts turned up only [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110878&highlight=muscle). Sorry for the confusion:( ---
**Author:** ![Netbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71e660/32.png) [@Netbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Netbrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/95 "2003-03-15T01:18:26Z")
> [@](#): > > (By Gobear) I grow so tired of the “I might suck dick, but at least my wrist never bends, so I’m all man” bullshit. Huh? I apologize, but what exactly does this mean? Wrist never bends? Huh? Oh, and Bindrah, I don’t feel it’s offensive to call you a moron of the highest calibur. So it’s all right, and you are just drones for disagreeing with me! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/96 "2003-03-15T01:24:19Z")
One stereotype of gay men is that we have “limp wrists.” ---
**Author:** ![Lilly\_Putt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Lilly\_Putt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilly_Putt)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/97 "2003-03-15T02:42:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*“Shirtlifter”, as I 've recently learned, is perfectly acceptable though. \*\* Why? I obviously don’t understand how this works. How about “pickle-smoocher,” or “uphill gardener?” Is it because they are “cutesie” names? They all amount to making fun of a person’s sexual preference.😕 What would be the proper “inoffensive” term for someone who is extremely flamboyant? {Homer} "You know me Marge, I like my men macho, and my gays falaaaaaaaaaming{/Homer} (paraphrase) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bindrah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Bindrah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bindrah)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/98 "2003-03-15T05:04:30Z")
You people kill me. I’m joking, I’m a troll. Hahahahahahaha,You schmucks preaching to me like I actually that basic. Hehehehehe…I know, I’m childish. Do you think I would be so shallow as to even go so far as to think in the way you describe? You are all sharing what you think…It;s alll your baggage, I’ve gone from one extreme to the next. It’s all in your head everyone. . Go and read what you pisted and think, really step back and realize I’mjust playing a role. I’m sorry, you all really misread me. Just look how you all got so angry, making yourseleves believe that I’m anti gay…The real enemy is out there, it isn’t me…I know how words create stereotypes and I realize the hurt that flows from that state of being…I am serious. It’s still funny though…Take a look and realize thatI am only words and you make it reaction. I speak, you react.I actbigoted, you all react. You pass. Get your stickers here…All smiley faces I promise… ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/99 "2003-03-15T05:09:18Z")
I’m guessing Vicodin and Vodka. ---
**Author:** ![Bindrah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Bindrah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bindrah)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267/100 "2003-03-15T05:20:15Z")
No painkillers. Listen, I’m being serious. You have totally over done it. You lost sight of theentire rant. I’ve gone from bad to worse in your minds. I was bringing you out, yanking you chain. For th erecord I am bi and I say fag, but do not discriminate. Saying faggoty fairy is a total hooker. You all jumped on me like I was Some kind of retarded…weeehehehehhheee. I feel mean, I’m sorry /i acted that way. Playing around with your heads is not nice…Aren’t you g;ad I was playing? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fag-by-any-other-name-well-is-just-a-fag/161267.md?page=6)