# A federal judge has issued a stay against the Muslim ban. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476 "2017-01-29T02:10:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/1 "2017-01-29T02:10:09Z")
> **[A federal judge just issued a stay against Donald Trump's "Muslim ban"](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/muslim-ban-federal-court/)** > > Judge Ann M. Donnelly's ruling halted deportations, but refugees abroad remain in limbo. Heads are exploding at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/2 "2017-01-29T02:13:18Z")
“The worst activist judges. Sad!” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/3 "2017-01-29T02:29:24Z")
The travel restrictions should have excluded people with Visas, already in the air, and due to land. It’s pretty dumb to retroactively apply travel restrictions to people about to land on US soil. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/4 "2017-01-29T02:33:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The travel restrictions should have excluded people with Visas, already in the air, and due to land. > > It’s pretty dumb to retroactively apply travel restrictions to people about to land on US soil. Trust Trump to do things in the most incompetent and inflammatory way possible, without any thought of the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/5 "2017-01-29T02:47:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Trust Trump to do things in the most incompetent and inflammatory way possible, without any thought of the consequences. What makes you think he gave no thought to the consequences? Never underestimate the intelligence of your adversary. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/6 "2017-01-29T02:56:05Z")
The airport officials aren’t even applying the order correctly. Trump specifically stated the ban didn’t apply to Christian refugees from those countries. Christians are being persecuted and killed in Iraq and Syria. Maybe Libya too? Idiots at the airport screwed up. > **[Syrian Christian family, visas in hand, turned back at airport | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/us/syrian-family-trump-travel-ban/index.html)** > > A family of Syrian Christian immigrants arrive in Philadelphia to join their US relatives after a long wait. But because of President Trump's executive order, they are turned away. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/7 "2017-01-29T03:12:08Z")
Huh, I got that wrong. Looks like the travel ban includes everybody from those countries. But Christian refugees will get priority in being approved later. > **[Christian Leaders Are Appalled by Trump's Order on Refugees, but Maybe...](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/christians-refugees-trump/514820/)** > > Many religious groups have urged the president not to give Christians priority in seeking asylum, but some conservative political organizations back his new ban on refugees. > [@](#): > > In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network on Friday, Trump clarified what this means: Christians refugees will be given priority status. “They’ve been horribly treated,” the president said. “Do you know if you were a Christian in Syria it was impossible, at least very tough, to get into the United States? If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible.” ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/8 "2017-01-29T03:20:25Z")
Good. Checks and balances are working. May they continue to do so against Trump’s orders. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/9 "2017-01-29T03:49:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Huh, I got that wrong. Looks like the travel ban includes everybody from those countries. > > But Christian refugees will get priority in being approved later. > [Christian Leaders Are Concerned by Trump's Order on Refugees - The Atlantic](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514820/?client=ms-android-motorola) But giving priority to one religion over another isn’t discrimination based on religion. Uh-uh, no siree! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/10 "2017-01-29T03:54:22Z")
Christians are a very small minority in those countries. Their churches bombed and destroyed. They are being driven from their villages. Yes, they require priority treatment. Some background on the dangers they face. > **[Iraqi Christians celebrate Christmas in Irbil](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38407615)** > > The spire of a new church rises in the Iraqi city of Irbil ready for Christmas celebrations It’s not 1940 when Jews were denied immigration because the quotas were full. > [@](#): > > Several priests have been killed - one beheaded and dismembered. A previous archbishop of Mosul died after being kidnapped, and a priest in Baghdad was kidnapped and released only when a ransom was paid. > > Dozens of Christians have died in bomb attacks on their churches during Mass. > > Al-Qaeda in Iraq and its successor, IS, have killed hundreds of Christians, and menaced many more out of their homes. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/11 "2017-01-29T04:25:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Christians are a very small minority in those countries. Their churches bombed and destroyed. They are being driven from their villages. > > Yes, they require priority treatment. > > Some background on the dangers they face. > [Iraqi Christians celebrate Christmas in Irbil - BBC News](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38407615) > > It’s not 1940 when Jews were denied immigration because the quotas were full. There are also Muslim minorities being killed and displaced. Do they not require “priority” treatment too? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/12 "2017-01-29T04:36:32Z")
Yes, like this little guy from Syria. He can never be considered for refugee status under the executive order. [https://www.google.ca/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37116349?client=safari](https://www.google.ca/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37116349?client=safari) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/13 "2017-01-29T04:45:04Z")
When does the case come up for final arguments on the stay? I suspect the stay will be set aside when that happens. The USG has always felt that a visa can be cancelled at anytime if they feel its appropriate; they tell you this about 15 times during the visa application process. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/14 "2017-01-29T04:54:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Christians are a very small minority in those countries. Their churches bombed and destroyed. They are being driven from their villages. > > Yes, they require priority treatment… **aceplace57** logic: News report - Trump announces all puppies are to be killed, but Chihuahua puppies will be spared. **aceplace57** - That’s good news, Chihuahua puppies deserve special treatment, they are so cute. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/15 "2017-01-29T05:10:37Z")
The judges ruling does nothing to the ban. It’s still in effect. Heads remain unexploded. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/16 "2017-01-29T05:15:30Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The judges ruling does nothing to the ban. It’s still in effect. Heads remain unexploded. Then what does a “stay” mean? I thought it meant that the ban is provisionally _not_ in effect until some subsequent more permanent hearing? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/17 "2017-01-29T05:19:03Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Then what does a “stay” mean? I thought it meant that the ban is provisionally _not_ in effect until some subsequent more permanent hearing? The temporary stay is on deportation of the detained travelers. There is no stay on detaining them though (that is, not letting them in). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/18 "2017-01-29T05:21:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Christians are a very small minority in those countries. Their churches bombed and destroyed. They are being driven from their villages. > > Yes, they require priority treatment. > > Some background on the dangers they face. > [Iraqi Christians celebrate Christmas in Irbil - BBC News](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38407615) > > It’s not 1940 when Jews were denied immigration because the quotas were full. :dubious: It wasn’t just because “the quotas were full”. The claim was that some of them might be German spies. Just like now they might be terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/19 "2017-01-29T06:08:03Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The USG has always felt that a visa can be cancelled at anytime if they feel its appropriate; they tell you this about 15 times during the visa application process. Historically green cards have been a another story, but not this time. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476/20 "2017-01-29T06:16:00Z")
Hope he has not ruined _your_ weekend, you are still an immigration paralegal IIRC? Even it if it is dealing with frantic phonecalls. I saw one dude on TV who said that he was advising all Muslim clients, blacklist or no blacklist not to leave the country anytime soon. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-federal-judge-has-issued-a-stay-against-the-muslim-ban/778476.md?page=2)