# A Flashman Question

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [August 19, 2003, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183 "2003-08-19T11:57:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![hlanelee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@hlanelee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hlanelee)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/1 "2003-08-19T11:57:54Z")

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Will we ever learn how Flashman came to fight on both sides of the American Civil War? I have been waiting forever for this packets of the “Flashman Papers” to be revealed.

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**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/2 "2003-08-19T12:59:35Z")

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::: shrug :::

I, for one, hope that George MacDonald Frasier goes on “publishing” the Flashman papers forever, but the man is in his 70s. Someday, I want to go through the books and chronologicalize them, but haven’t so far.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/3 "2003-08-19T16:04:32Z")

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Actually I was surprised that Fraser’s “only” 77. I thought he was in his eighties by now.

My hope is that when Fraser steps down, some other author picks up the series. I’d like to see S.M. Stirling, who’s a good writer and a big Flashman fan.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/4 "2003-08-19T16:30:42Z")

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The closest we may ever get is in the buildup to the Civil War, already described in “Flashman and the Angel of the Lord”.

Fraser’s clearly slowing down, and may be simply bored with the series. If that’s so, perhaps it’s just as well that he not try another. I’m as intrigued as anybody by the comments Flashy has let slip, and don’t know of any other book hints Fraser has left us there.

Other quickie book reviews: “Mr. American” had his usual detail, but the characters and plot were too unbelievable (yet not unbelievable enough to be a Flashmanlike satire). “Black Ajax” was fascinating and realistic, but may not be of interest to a non-sports fan. Haven’t read “The Pyrates” or “Quartered Way Out There” - have any of you?

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**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/5 "2003-08-19T18:37:54Z")

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I liked _Mr. American_; didn’t find the characters unbelievable. _The Pyrates_ is a fun satirical comedy. I’d also recommend _McAuslan in the Rough_ and _The Hollywood History of the World_.

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/6 "2003-08-19T19:39:28Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \*  
> \*\*The closest we may ever get is in the buildup to the Civil War, already described in “Flashman and the Angel of the Lord”.
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> Fraser’s clearly slowing down, and may be simply bored with the series. If that’s so, perhaps it’s just as well that he not try another. I’m as intrigued as anybody by the comments Flashy has let slip, and don’t know of any other book hints Fraser has left us there.
> 
> Other quickie book reviews: “Mr. American” had his usual detail, but the characters and plot were too unbelievable (yet not unbelievable enough to be a Flashmanlike satire). “Black Ajax” was fascinating and realistic, but may not be of interest to a non-sports fan. Haven’t read “The Pyrates” or “Quartered Way Out There” - have any of you? \*\*

My opinion:

“Mr. American” was, to my mind, the most “realistic” of all Fraser’s books. My only objection to it was that the plot was not, IMHO, strong enough to carry a book of that length.

“Black Ajax” was excellent, and I think of great interest. I am no sports fan, but I was fascinated at the way Fraser handled the issues of race and history in this book! The hero was no perfect man, nor yet an antihero like Flashman, but a tragically flawed figure struggling for pre-eminence against his own inherent weaknesses. Great stuff, one of the best.

“The Pyrates” is Fraser’s homage to the cartoon world of fictional pirate lore. The problem with it was that it was too much of a cartoon. IMHO, the weakest of Fraser’s work.

“Quartered Safe Out Here”, by contrast, is in a class of its own. This is Fraser’s autobiography of his war years in Burma. If Fraser had written nothing else, his reputation would be made by this one book. It is a must-read for anyone interested in WW2 history - one of the absolute best accounts of “what it was really like”, written by a great writer at the top of his form.

The MacAslin stories - “The Shiek and the Dustbin”, “The General Danced at Dawn”, and “MacAuslin in the Rough” - are all very good reads indeed. Apparently, they are semi-autobiographical – fictionalized stories of Fraser’s post-war experiences in the army. Very very funny - laugh-out-loud funny, in parts.

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**Author:** ![keithnmick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@keithnmick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keithnmick)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/7 "2003-08-19T20:10:51Z")

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I’ve read “Quartered Safe out Here” and I have to agree, it’s terrific. I enjoyed “The American” and count myself as a Flashy fan.

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**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/8 "2003-08-20T00:09:27Z")

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Did this happen before or after he got his butt kicked by Megaman?

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/9 "2003-08-20T13:56:04Z")

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> \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \*  
> \*\*Did this happen before or after he got his butt kicked by Megaman? \*\*

I’m not sure I even _want_ to know what this is about.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/10 "2003-08-20T16:07:58Z")

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I was quite disappointed that _Flashman and the Tiger_ included so little on Flashman’s so-far-unaddressed military exploits, and in fact implied that little more may be revealed about his Zulu War experiences.

Besides Flashman’s U.S. Civil War campaigns and the disaster of Isandlhwana, the series still hasn’t considered Flashman’s service with Emperor Maximilian of Mexico, or had much on his encounters with the Fuzzy-Wuzzies in Sudan. At this point, I doubt we will see them, at least from Fraser’s hand.

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-flashman-question/196183/11 "2003-08-20T18:02:25Z")

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I read an interview with Fraser, and the question came up of when Flashman and the Civil War would be written. Fraser said “When I feel like it” and that was it.
