Well, I would say that the introduction of bands like Alkaline trio, new found glory, and jimmy eats world to the MTV audience will certainly help! Slowly but surely those bands are becoming pretty damn popular. I agree that emo has always been underground wether it was fugazi and dag nasty until now. Then again, up until 1992 all punk was underground. Green day was unheard of. Nirvana? Who were they? Sonic who?
So I wouldn’t could EMO out yet.
[sub]For the record I am not a huge emo fan. I like it. I just am placing an opinion about the next trend[/sub]
Real punk still is. Trying playing the exploited or The Dead Kennedys or Bad Brains on main stream radio. Aint gonna happen. I wouldnt exactly call Green Day, or Nirvana punk…Punkish maybe…(I kinda like green day, and some Nirvana). Bad Brains…Try playing “Pay to cum”, or “California, Uber Alles”, or “Too Drunk to Fuck” or “Lets Start a War” or “Holiday in Cambodia” on the radio…now thats punk.
ABSOLUTELY! I couldn’t agree more! However we are discussing the “next big thing”. If the music industry decides to call it punk, then that’s what it’s called. As far as green day though they had a pretty good run in the punk scene before making it big. Real “Punk” is not neccesarily dead… just resting. In the late seventies when it all began, it made sense. Once comercialism seeped in, it ceased to be “punk”. It became style. That’s a thread in itself.
Glad to see another lover of the clasics.
What was it Jello said? “Punks not dead it just deserves to die, when it becomes another stale cartoon”. from Chicken Shit Conformist.
Kids today, they don’t know what real punk is…Why, Back in my day…oh shit, I’m old arent I? How’d that happen? Seems like just yesterday I was sleeping in a burned out house in a big pile of straight edge punks, huddled togeather for warmth, wishing I could find a Hammerskin who wore my size docs so I could get some new boots, and now I find myself working for a defense contractor in a cubicle, listening to California uber alles on mp3 while I worry about how to pay my mortgage and my credit card bills. Damnit all…This wasnt supposed to happen…I wanna be young again…at least they let me wear my docs…
Glad to see that I wasn’t the only one who struggled with buying Circle Jerks Group sex on cd! It was so hard to resist when it came with wild in the streets included!!!
Real “Punk” is somewhat laughable in digital form. It’s best on a shitty tape recorded from a friends recording.
of a friends recording. Remeber when the DKs put out that tape with one side “intentionally left blank for your convienence”. I still have my wore out copy of “Bedtime for democracy” on cassette, as well as “Lets start a war”(cant you just feel the love between Jello and Wattie?) and a vinyl version of Never mind the bullocks, and Where were you in 77. I used to “let them eat Jellie Beans” on vinyl,till somebody stole it. If fact, most of my old stuff got ripped off by this psycho chick I let crash at my place(I used to let everybody crash at my place) I bought Never Mind the Bullocks on cd at a pawn shop, because I couldnt stop laughing at the idea of putting the pistols on cd. And I remember seeing Gen X on cd, and saying “whats the fucking point” loud enough to get kicked out of Sound WHorehouse. I mean, Gen x was worthless on vinyl, why go digital.
I have to admit to not caring at all what the next big thing is. Why should anyone care what trend corporate music pushers are going to shove down our throat next? All that’ll happen is that they’ll pick up a random easily-identifiable subculture, tout it as innovative, flood the airwaves with one good tune and eight jillion crap ripoffs, and then market the hell out of the clothing and accessories associated with the new “movement”.
A fragmented music scene is perfect. That’s the way it should be. The music out there right now is astonishing. Jets to Brazil. Bright Eyes. Wheat. Low. Mogwai. Radar Bros. Red House Painters. Spinanes. Califone. I’d much rather have a bunch of diverse bands making a living off of their music, than one hyped band gobbling up all the profits of the music scene for a couple of years.
Now that radio is being challenged by the internet, the bands out there have an outlet, a way to reach an international audience that’s into them. I think that’s what’s causing the lack of centralization in the music scene; devoted fans can find a huge variety of music in any style they want, and are no longer limited to the selection available on the radio.
If there’s never another “big thing”, I’ll be a happy man.
THAT’S HILARIOUS! I almost brought up Billy Idol as an example of how punk went downnhill when it started to parody itself! I also almost put in the bit about the Dead Kennedy’s tape (In god we trust). “bedtime for democracy” is a great album! I haven’t heard it in a looooong time?
Could we hijack this thread any more?
MR VISIBLE: JETS TO BRAZIL Best album I have heard in YEARS is Orange Ryhming Dictionary. It has not left my car for at least 2 years. Some of the most beautiful and moving lyrics I have ever heard. Of course you do know that Blake Schwarzenbach, the singer, was the singer/guitarist of Jawbreaker who can easily be considered… you guessed it… EMO
The relative success of Modest Mouse and Sunny Day’s return (though they became more indie rock than emo) is hopefully indicative of emo’s rising tide
Incidentally, keep up the emo band names if we could as I am no longer in a situation which allows for keeping with the times music-wise.
However, as with all underground–> above ground phenomena I don’t doubt that when/if (when, damn it, when!) emo takes the stage all the “old schoolers” will be crying “Sell out!”
I remember what happened to Green Day. I never stopped liking them, and have never been afraid to admit it.
I’m also hoping for girl metal/punk bands, in all their forms, to start kicking girl pop off the stage. Though I shouldn’t hold my breath for bikini kill or red aunts to take enter stage, I hope Kitty starts z trend in that.
I want a steel cage match between Spears and any of my girls! Winner plays the concert!
Sorry to hijack further but I would be remiss not to mention 2 of the best new bands I have heard recently.
Q AND NOT U - On Dischord. Not really emo. THURSDAY - From my NJ!!! (YAY!) If you like Sunny Day you will LOVE Thursday. They are a harder more straightfoward SDRE.
Last hijack…maybe
[sub]hmmmmm maybe hijacks should be legal in this forum…it allows for free flow of thought. This is about art right? [/sub]
I bet we could. did you ever listen to the Prarie Home Invasion, with Jello, and Mojo Nixon. Great stuff. I also have almost all of Jello’s spoken word cds. The man is either brilliant, or seriously disturbed. I havent figured out which. Anyway, one of the spoken word talks a lot about his run in with Tipper and crowd, and how they tried to prosecute him for including H.R. Giegers painting in Frankenchrist. I love the part were the wanna arrest Gieger for obscenity, and they ask Jello where they can find him.
any underground sound has to be cleaned up and packaged right to be the next big thing. The question is whether it is still what it used to be once it has been processed for mass consumption. I have no issues at all with selling out…well, a few maybe, but not to the point that I would put someone down for it. But what I’m getting at is the fact that, for example, Green Day is pop in a punk vein, but not really punk rock. Their roots are in the right place, but some changes had to take place before that type of music was widely accepted.
If Modest Mouse becomes increasingly popular by changing their sound, are they still emo? In fact, were they ever emo?
And now I have sufficiently confused myself with my own bullshit rhetoric. How great is this? Feel free to disregard me.
Emo probably will become the next big thing; it seems to successfully bridge the gap between boybands and punk, both of which seem to be rather popular. Sorry to any emo fans; I don’t really have anything against it, but from what I’ve experienced, the songs seem to basically be about unrequitted love set to loud abrasive guitars. Sure, there are some good emo bands out there; Weezer (yes, weezer IS emo), and Last Great Liar. I agree with the black metal, too. First it was Korn, but then they became far too popular and sold out. So then the fans migrated to Limp Bizkit, but then they had a song on the Mission:Impossible soundtrack, and that was it for them. Now it seems to be Slipknot. Slowly but surely, they’re making their way to My Dying Bride. Hell, maybe even The Swans will become popular some day!
If you are interested, you may want to check out Hot Water Music. They aren’t sappy in the least. Small Brown Bike is a good one too but only their first album “our own wars”.
So… anyone think Krishnacore has a chance of seeing any popularity?
When I think Emo I think Promise Ring, Cap’n Jazz (GOD their anathology album is awesome), Sunny Day’s “diary” and the pink album, Modest Mouse (sorry, I only actually own the Lonesome Crowded West but his singing style and the loud/soft pattern kinds signifies emo to me).
I don’t think emo is all about sappy punk love songs. I think of it more like poetic angst… what new goth would be if it were cool. I think emo carried on the tradition of early Bauhaus style-stuff, but decidedly edgier, while what people today call goth seem more like a fetishists’ version of bad metal.
A Cap’n Jazz song that always sorta does it for me states, “When I fly and look down, I’d swear that’s not me.” Your standard disconnected, ostracized, but decidedly not-violent sorta thing. Ghandi would like emo.
Winner plays the concert!