# a friends suicide

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [August 11, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507 "2016-08-11T23:48:36Z")\
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**Author:** ![flygirl2172](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@flygirl2172](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flygirl2172)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/1 "2016-08-11T23:48:36Z")

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Is a ketamine infusion effective in treating depression? Thanks

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**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/2 "2016-08-12T00:25:54Z")

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reported

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**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/3 "2016-08-12T01:00:24Z")

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Moved from General Questions to IMHO.

**samclem** , moderator

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**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/4 "2016-08-12T01:12:35Z")

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What I found:

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> Ballard, a researcher at the National Institute of Mental Health, published a study in August that shows ketamine reduces suicidal thoughts independent of its effect on depression or anxiety.
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> That’s an important discovery, Ballard says, because not all suicides can be traced back to depression. Post-traumatic stress disorder, borderline personality disorder, and alcohol or other substance dependence, for examples, also account for some suicides. **Further research is needed to explore the study’s findings**.

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From WebMD (which I use frequently):

> **[Understanding the Basics of Depression](https://www.webmd.com/depression/understanding-depression-basics?page=1)**
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> WebMD's guide to the types and prevalence of depression.

It started its life as an anesthetic. It is now going off label for both (nerve-based) pain and depression.  
The linked article suggests it as a “rescue drug” for ER-type interventions for suicidal patients.  
Hard to think of offing yourself while tripping\*.

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  - it also, in massive doses (so they say) produces a hallucinogenic state. A new acid for the new generation!

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**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/5 "2016-08-12T01:17:22Z")

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> [@usedtobe](#):
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> it also, in massive doses (so they say) produces a hallucinogenic state. A new acid for the new generation!

There’s nothing new about “Special K”. Its been around for decades as a recreational drug.

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**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/6 "2016-08-12T01:18:31Z")

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Are you ok, **flygirl**? If a friend has committed suicide and you’re having a lot of trouble with it, please contact your doctor. He or she can guide you in how to manage your depression through drug therapy and/or counseling.

I’m sorry.

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**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\
**Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-friends-suicide/762507/7 "2016-08-12T01:58:35Z")

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NMDA antagonists have been looked into for depression, ketamine is one.

> **[Ketamine and other N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor antagonists in the treatment...](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4416968/)**
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> Current pharmacotherapies for major depressive disorder (MDD) and bipolar depression (BDep) have a distinct lag of onset that can generate great distress and impairment in patients. Furthermore, as demonstrated by several real-world effectiveness...

During a hard period of my life, I noticed meaningful improvements in my depression by taking magnesium citrate.
