# A fuck you to Denmark - the coming shame of Europe **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519 "2004-10-27T19:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/81 "2004-10-28T17:18:15Z")
**Liberal**. I am interested in this thread. I respect you. I don’t think you are contributing anything. That is all I have to contribute. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/82 "2004-10-28T17:20:58Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > The irony here is that you honestly can’t see the vicious hatred and bigotry in your attitude towards your own people. It’s bad enough to be blindly prejudiced against racial or ethnic groups not your own, but it’s truly sick and demented to be blindly prejudiced against your own kind. Could you please explain to me where you read any of that in my posts? Do you live here? Do you have the first hand experience I have? Do you have acces to data about fringe political parties and their influence? Do you hear the everyday talk on the street? Do you live in a town where a quarter of the population is Muslim? And what, pray tell, is “my own kind”? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/83 "2004-10-28T17:23:07Z")
Merkwurdigliebe, my husband has just told me what your username means. Groovy! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/84 "2004-10-28T17:30:44Z")
> [@Alien](#): > > And since we’re amongst the richest people on the face of this planet, yes, I do believe that health care should be extended to doorstep refugees and immigrants. It’s the Christian thing to do, to share with those who has nothing. But that’s entirely a different subject, maybe. If you’re really saying that anyone in the world who can get himself to the Danish border should be given free health care and welfare, you won’t be Christian (or Danish) for long. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/85 "2004-10-28T17:36:37Z")
> [@Gest](#): > > Perhaps but the people of Denmark _and_ France _and_ the US (along with those in Bangladesh, Haiti and Sudan) _do_ have the resources. No, they wouldn’t, and you’re a fool if you believe they would. No matter what we do, there will always suffering and evil somewhere in the world, and it is simply insane to demand that Westerners must accept unlimited responsibility for protecting everybody everywhere in the world from every possible evil. Look, grow up. Try to understand that most people aren’t much impressed by your ridiculous moral pretentions. > [@Gest](#): > > And in return, you’ll stop imagining prejudice and racism is more acceptable when it’s directed outside the group you identify with? Look, bub, it’s entirely normal and natural to identify with one’s own race, religion, ethnicity, nation and so on. When you smear such sentiments as “prejudice and racism,” it is you who are revealing a low moral character, not the people you attack. Your attitude reeks of vanity and malice, not compassion and concern for justice. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/86 "2004-10-28T17:42:07Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > If you’re really saying that anyone in the world who can get himself to the Danish border should be given free health care and welfare, you won’t be Christian (or Danish) for long. Are you saying that the flood of immigrants would destroy “our way of life”? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/87 "2004-10-28T17:47:29Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > Could you please explain to me where you read any of that in my posts? > > Do you live here? Do you have the first hand experience I have? Do you have acces to data about fringe political parties and their influence? Do you hear the everyday talk on the street? Do you live in a town where a quarter of the population is Muslim? > > And what, pray tell, is “my own kind”? Apparently, “your” kind consists of sanctimonious gasbags. When you and all the other ninnies like you refuse to recognize any limit to the demands you make on the rest of us in the name of compassion, it is impossible to believe that you are in any way motivated by honest compassion. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/88 "2004-10-28T17:49:04Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Another enlightened, progressive intellectual heard from. I normally would not call myself enlightened but I suppose it’s a matter of degree and that, in comparison to you and your claims that it’s somehow worse to dislike people similar to you than those dissimilar, I am in this instance. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/89 "2004-10-28T17:53:06Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > Are you saying that the flood of immigrants would destroy “our way of life”? Yes, you fool, they would. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/90 "2004-10-28T17:53:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Is there any country in the world whose immigration laws aren’t a complete cluster-fuck? Just one? Cripes. Can’t we finally evolve past the nation-states phase of human culture already and just let people live where they want to live? No, I don’t want 300 million different people of different and more restricted culture to overwhelm my state and culture In England because of the poor standards they have there. Besides, Humankind isn’t ready for that kind of live where you want on Earth attitude just yet. I think we shouldn’t look at immigration at a person from A to B thing, look at the reasons behind them coming here. I think wiping debts would be a start. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/91 "2004-10-28T17:57:07Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I normally would not call myself enlightened but I suppose it’s a matter of degree and that, in comparison to you and your claims that it’s somehow worse to dislike people similar to you than those dissimilar, I am in this instance. ROTFLMAO!!! Ah, you arrogant little sparrow fart! ---
**Author:** ![Alien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@Alien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alien)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/92 "2004-10-28T18:25:30Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > The people of Denmark–or France, or the United States, or Great Britain, or Germany–do not have the resources to provide free food, clothing, housing, medical care, and education to everyone, everywhere on the planet. Please do not imagine that you are somehow nobler or more moral than I am merely because you make stupid and impossible moral demands upon your fellow citizens. In my opinion your argument is a smokescreen covering up the real issue. The positive effects of immigration on western economies aside, certainly any country would have to balance their humanitarian efforts against available resources. But that’s not the issue. I would like to refer you to **Gaspodes’s** excellent posting on page one, quoting: \*Pia Kjaersgaard, leader of nationalistic Danish People’s Party and part of the government coalition is on record as saying: “Fuck human rights”. Another aspect is that this obviously was directed to the “less desireable elements” but hit equally. A debate started about Danes studying in the US, meeting womeone there and then returning home. The **minister for Integration** [my emph], Bertel Haarder: “Everyone knows this isn’t about Americans, but the rules must be the same for every one. Unfortunately. And I do mean unfortunately.”\* Denmark has come to the point where the goal of keeping the country as white & European as possible includes the deportation of an 88 year old woman who, apparently, cannot take care of herself. I notice some defenders of Denmark in this thread are pointing out that she’s not paying taxes and are in need of health care. But frankly, her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren are living in Denmark, and I suspect at least some of them are paying their share. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/93 "2004-10-28T18:26:38Z")
I do not think Denmark or any other nation should throw open its borders and yell “Come and get it!”. Certain limits and regulations on immigration are necessary (for example, a quick check or two to be sure that somebody hasn’t left their country because the police found all those bodies they’d hid in their crawlspace). BUT, from what I’m reading in this thread it sounds like Denmark has adopted a policy of “We welcome immigrants. So long as they are not ragheads, Pakis, or any other impure race.” ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/94 "2004-10-28T18:35:17Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Did you wish to take up where Kim left off? Merely donating an opinion, I assure you. Naturally, I expect nothing in return. Although I did find it frankly hilarious that when you tried to illustrate the difference between “donation” and “paying” above, both your links went to the exact same definition. So I guess I do feel like I’ve gained something from this after all. 🙂 But no, I have nothing more to add at this time. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/95 "2004-10-28T18:48:42Z")
> [@Alien](#): > > In my opinion … "\* And blah blah blah. Anybody who opposes policies that amount to unlimited immigration must be racist (GASP!!!). Anybody who asks, “How will these policies affect the quality of life for me, my family and my community?” must be a selfish monster. (SHAME ON YOU!!!) What’s the point of trying to reason with toads like you? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/96 "2004-10-28T19:04:05Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > BUT, from what I’m reading in this thread it sounds like Denmark has adopted a policy of “We welcome immigrants. So long as they are not ragheads, Pakis, or any other impure race.” More like “We welcome immigrants. So long as they are not ragheads, Pakis, or any other impure race. _But since we can’t say that outloud we have now closed our door to everybody_.” I have heard similar stories about Danes marrying citizens of other non-European wealthy nations also given crap by inmmigration in DK. Funny though that both princeses married foreigners and had no trouble bringing them ‘home’. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/97 "2004-10-28T19:05:21Z")
How is allowing an elderly, deathly ill woman to stay in Denmark opening up the boarders for thousands of refugees to come flooding in? I believe someone pointed out that Danish law allows them to look at immigration and such on a case by case basis. Surely this is one of those cases where the person should be allowed to stay? ---
**Author:** ![Alien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@Alien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alien)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/98 "2004-10-28T19:19:56Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > And blah blah blah. Anybody who opposes policies that amount to unlimited immigration must be racist (GASP!!!). Anybody who asks, “How will these policies affect the quality of life for me, my family and my community?” must be a selfish monster. (SHAME ON YOU!!!) > > What’s the point of trying to reason with toads like you? Who are talking about, quote: “unlimited immigration”? I said: Certainly any country would have to balance their humanitarian efforts against available resources. Didn’t I say that? The point in question is: Are immigrants belonging to a certain culture ok, while immigrants from a different, more remote, culture a no-no? If your answer is yes, then you _are_ a racist pig. Or do you simply believe that cultures cannot mix? And how exactly are those policies affecting the quality of life for you, your family and your community? Maybe you should try to explain that. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/99 "2004-10-28T19:32:10Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > Are you saying that the flood of immigrants would destroy “our way of life”? I’m saying that if you open the doors completely, of course they would. There is such a thing as a reasonably sustainable level of immigration, and also such a thing as a complete abandonment of sovereignty and national identity. The “open borders” position taken in several above posts is the latter, not the former. You can live in a welfare state, or you can have open borders, but not both. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519/100 "2004-10-28T20:14:20Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Merely donating an opinion, I assure you. Naturally, I expect nothing in return. Although I did find it frankly hilarious that when you tried to illustrate the difference between “donation” and “paying” above, both your links went to the exact same definition. So I guess I do feel like I’ve gained something from this after all. 🙂 > > But no, I have nothing more to add at this time. [Paying](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paying). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-fuck-you-to-denmark-the-coming-shame-of-europe/271519.md?page=6)