# A GQ RE: ff in an SR **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [September 9, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849 "2005-09-09T17:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/1 "2005-09-09T17:24:44Z")
This could go in GQ since it is a simple question with, I’m guessing, a single answer. However, since the question comes from the excellent column on [angels](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mangels.html) by **Dex** , I figured I’d post it here. In some of the biblical quotes, > [@](#): > > Ezekiel has a vision of angels with six wings and multiple faces (1:6 **ff** )… angels as fiery wheels, or thrones, with many eyes (1:15 **ff** )… They are derived from Ezekiel 1:15 **ff** for example, the chapter and verse is followed by **ff**. I’ve looked around a bit and I can’t figure out what specifically this means. FWIW, I’m interested in the subject and I have been looking into the cited verses for more information and I’m hoping to find more. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/2 "2005-09-09T17:36:46Z")
Not sure exactly what it stands for, but it means “and the rest of the chapter”. So Ezekiel 1:15ff would mean everything starting Ezekiel 1:15 and ending before Ezekiel 2:1. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/3 "2005-09-09T17:46:34Z")
Thanks **ultrafilter**. Does this pretty much _only_ come up in Bible verses? ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/4 "2005-09-09T18:02:46Z")
I think I’ve seen it used to indicate something similar with page numbers. And you could certainly use it for anything else broken up into chapters and verses. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/5 "2005-09-09T19:50:44Z")
In any formal work, f. (and the following page) and ff. (and the following pages) are standard, but old-fashioned, notations. The Chicago Manual of Style (13th edition, at any rate) discourages its use, preferring that the full range of pages be written out, but you’ll find them used in a zillion older works. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/6 "2005-09-10T00:29:36Z")
I was eddycated back in the goodoledays, and was taught that “f” meant “ **f** ollowing page” and “ff” meant “ **ff** ollowing page **s**.” Old fashioned, hmpfh. PS - thanks for the compliments, **Six** , it was fun report to do. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/7 "2005-09-10T02:26:18Z")
That was a most excellent report. > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Angels continued to appear…atop Christmas trees (ask me why sometime). Are you gonna tell us a story about how Santa was having a really bad year? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/8 "2005-09-10T14:29:51Z")
That’s the one, **ultrafilter**. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/9 "2005-09-16T17:27:58Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > Are you gonna tell us a story about how Santa was having a really bad year? Now my curiosity has been piqued. Is this a story I can find in Ezekiel 1:15ff? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2005, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/10 "2005-09-17T12:17:07Z")
I’m sure someone will provide an online link, but IMHO, it’s a story that is better told, by a master story-teller, rather than read. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/11 "2005-09-19T13:41:25Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > … it’s a story that is better told, by a master story-teller,… I’m a master debater, does that count for anything? ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-gq-re-ff-in-an-sr/320849/12 "2005-09-20T03:55:25Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > I’m a master debater, does that count for anything? For some folks, that might be related to that story. It’s a matter of taste, I guess. 😉