# A Great Debate for all ages! (Or something that will be moved to MPSIMS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 1, 2000, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163 "2000-06-01T23:29:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2000, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163/21 "2000-06-05T07:53:15Z")
Perhaps the question shouldn’t be “could he?” but rather “would he?” Or “should he?” After all, where the hell is he gonna stick this boulder-that-the-omnipotent-can’t-lift? Something with those properties would most likely be very massive. Wait… here’s a thought… what if black holes really weren’t stars that went supernova at all, but instead they were REALLY HUGE BOULDERS that God wanted to create to test out this paradox, but as soon as he created them they fell in on themselves and ceased being boulders? Now THAT’s a headache. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2000, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163/22 "2000-06-05T16:44:03Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by Derleth: > Any action or state that creates paradoxes cannot exist because the Universe must make logical sense. Unless God decided to create an illogical universe. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2000, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163/23 "2000-06-05T21:19:24Z")
Read my post to find out what would be possible in such a Universe. It isn’t. Therefore, the Universe makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Dumbguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dumbguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dumbguy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2000, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163/24 "2000-06-05T22:39:31Z")
Derleth, do you really think an omnipotent God could be cornered by tricks of language? These paradoxes you speak of occur only because of the way we’ve defined the words. ‘Movable’ is just a concept, and it’s a relative concept, and it’s only relevant to a creature that would need to move things. You may not be able to push a skyscraper relative to the chunk of dirt it’s sitting on, so from your (or my) very limited perspective it could be called immovable, but it’s sitting on a planet that’s hurtling through space, so in that sense it’s about as movable as everything else. I don’t believe in God, but I have to assume that if one did exist trivial human concerns like lifting simply wouldn’t apply. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2000, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163/25 "2000-06-06T00:17:55Z")
From Arnold: > [@](#): > > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > originally posted by Derleth: > > Any action or state that creates paradoxes cannot exist because the Universe must make logical sense. > > Unless God decided to create an illogical universe. > \*\* Well, how 'bout this - god could create an illogical universe, but decided to create a logical one instead. In doing so, he/she/it/we/them/they voluntarily gave up his/her/etc.'s ability to commit illogical/paradoxical acts. Does that mean god is no longer omnipotent? Personally, I don’t think so. Under this scenario, god is still able to do \*\* everything that can be done \*\* Course, I’m still an atheist. V. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2000, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163/26 "2000-06-06T05:37:27Z")
**SuaSponte:** So am I, legal eagle. I still enjoy posting threads that deal with omnipotence. (Napoleon: Your theory of gravity makes no room for God. Newton: No, it does not. Napoleon: But God is such a pretty theory, and it explains so much. True or not, that conversation sums up my experience with the non-rabid theists.) **Dumbguy:** They would if they negated his existence. **SPOOFE Bo Diddley:** Tell that to Stephen Hawking. He’s the one working on what happened a picosecond after the Big Bang. **Scylla:** You get the prize for the most original cheat in this thread. May your threads always float to the top and those rabid camel fleas avoid you and your friends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-great-debate-for-all-ages-or-something-that-will-be-moved-to-mpsims/21163.md?page=1)