# A Jewish newspaper has photoshopped Angela Merkel out of the Charlie Hebdo march **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756 "2015-01-13T22:52:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/81 "2015-01-15T14:36:37Z")
Why do the Haredi have so much political power? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/82 "2015-01-15T14:44:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Why do the Haredi have so much political power? My understanding is for two reasons. In the first place, this is because the founders of Israel choose to honor them as people practicing “real” Judaism and therefore worthy of respect and special rights and because they are a voting block that will vote in Israel’s parlimentary system the way they are told. They tried the same fucking [segregated](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/nyregion/bus-segregation-of-jewish-women-prompts-review.html) bus shit in Brooklyn but were promptly told off by Bloomberg thankfully. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/83 "2015-01-15T15:14:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Why do the Haredi have so much political power? The standard answer I’ve heard is that this is a function of Israel’s proportional representation political system, which constantly creates coallition governments - meaning the ultra-religious parties can push through issues that appeal to them, by the threat of joining one coallition or another. Here’s an article on the topic: > **[Look to Israel for a case study in proportional representation's flaws | Seth...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/29/israel-proportional-representation)** > > Seth Freedman: PR can produce as fraught and fractious a system as FPTP ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/84 "2015-01-15T15:20:22Z")
> [@Judah](#): > > They _do_ leave you alone. Well, they don’t leave me alone. Or at least their American cousins, the Hasidim of Brooklyn, don’t. They are a royal fucking pain in the ass. Every Sunday they flood the park in my neighborhood. Which is fine. The city doesn’t have a lot of spaces for big families to get outside, and that’s what public parks are for. But in the water park for little kids, they get all bent out of shape about children who aren’t Hasidim playing in the water with their kids, mostly, as far as I can tell, because the little girls aren’t wearing what they consider to be appropriate swimwear. Now, they know they can’t enforce their ridiculous ideas of “modesty” on everyone in the park, so their strategy is to get there early, fill up the water park, and appoint a few large men to obstruct all the entrances. There’s a bunch of other obnoxious stuff they do in the park (like taking up all the handicapped parking spaces), but that’s the one that really gets on my nerves. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/85 "2015-01-15T16:13:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That would be okay too. I mean, the policy is fucking stupid, but at least that would be honest. Agreed. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It seems like you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. It is severely obscuring your point to the extent that you seem to have no idea what you’re talking about. > > Your first post on this suggested that people should not get their panties in a bunch over this matter. Now you yourself are trying to outdo others in describing just how shitty it is. Watch those panties, idiot. 1. I support their right to do whatever the fact they want with their freedom of speech so long as they don’t break any apllicable law. 2. However, it is shitty to edit Angela like that when a simple blurring would’ve sufficed. 3. Having said that, the “panties” things meant that, shitty as it was, it ain’t such a big thing. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/86 "2015-01-15T16:18:21Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > It’s an illustration of the sexist Haredi point of view. It’s also a reminder of the fact that Haredim have far too much power in Israel as **Alessan** points out. How is that a reminder? It would be a “reminder” if Haaretz photoshopped their front page to cater to the Haredim. It is not in any way a “reminder that they have too much power” if they use photoshop in their own newspaper photos. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/87 "2015-01-15T16:26:13Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Agreed. > > 1. I support their right to do whatever the fact they want with their freedom of speech so long as they don’t break any apllicable law. > 2. However, it is shitty to edit Angela like that when a simple blurring would’ve sufficed. > 3. Having said that, the “panties” things meant that, shitty as it was, it ain’t such a big thing. So it is “big time shitty” but not such “a big thing.” That’s crystal clear all right. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/88 "2015-01-15T16:27:32Z")
Just how big a deal is this newspaper? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/89 "2015-01-15T16:45:41Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > So it is “big time shitty” but not such “a big thing.” > > That’s crystal clear all right. “Big time shitty” = really not nice. “not a big thing” = no transcendental ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/90 "2015-01-15T16:59:26Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Just how big a deal is this newspaper? It is targeted at the ultra orthodox Jewish population in Israel. Which I see estimated as 8% of the population. I have no idea how many of that 8% read that particular newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/91 "2015-01-15T17:57:36Z")
" **A Jewish newspaper has photoshopped Angela Merkel out of the Charlie Hebdo march"** [A Christian organization](http://www.frc.org/homosexuality) promotes hatred of homosexuality. Both of these statements are true, but could benefit from a smidge more specificity. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/92 "2015-01-15T20:21:36Z")
They did this all the time in the [Soviet Union](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union). Stalin was particularly known to pull [URL=“[http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci\_2101/false.html](http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html)”]this shit[/URL. Was it “free speech” then? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/93 "2015-01-15T20:46:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Calling other posters “motherfuckers” is a violation of the board’s language rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. > > No warning issued. > [/Moderating] Huh. I remember about calling people _cunts_, or telling people to fuck _off_, or _themselves_, or _you_, but I had forgotten about calling someone motherfucker. I’ll avoid doing this in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756/94 "2015-01-15T21:58:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > They did this all the time in the [Soviet Union](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union). Stalin was particularly known to pull [URL=“[http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci\_2101/false.html](http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html)”]this shit[/URL. Was it “free speech” then? > > :dubious: _Self_-censorship is not a free speech issue, unless perhaps the censoring outlet is a monopoly. Israelis can get their news elsewhere. This newspaper appears to be a private business. _Government_ censorship is very much a free speech issue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-jewish-newspaper-has-photoshopped-angela-merkel-out-of-the-charlie-hebdo-march/709756.md?page=4)