Ah, yes, now I remember! Someone told me that awhile back…and I forgot.
Thanks, Gaudere, my dear.
Tell ya what ben I will answer your question this way. Everybody is right and I am wrong teaching abstinence only will not be 100% effective in a society that does not put their faith in God. So since America sways further from the Laws of God more everyday, then yes y’all are right and I am wrong. Happy?
Gaudere-I heard about that rape case too. And a “friend” of mine (a girl who hung around in my group that I didn’t like), said it was consent. Um…okay.
The teachers don’t have to teach kids HOW to masturbate. But they should bring it up and say,
There’s nothing wrong with it.
It will NOT make you blind/insane/hairy etc etc
It IS the SAFEST form of sex you can get. (As long as you weren’t just handling a dead woodchuck, but we won’t get into that…;))
Don’t start the “piss on lawyers” bit again, Bill. For all we know, the accused rapist swore to the lawyer that the sex was consensual. You’d want a defender if you were wrongly accused, right?
Telling the rapist that you have various nasty diseases in an effort to scare him does not seem to be an effective ploy, based on the studies I’ve seen; they just assume you’re lying (and they’re usually right), and they want to rape so badly they’re willing to risk it if you’re not. However, I was wondering out loud whether you could use that tactic to at least get the rapist to wear a condom. I have no idea if it would work, and I’d as soon not find out. I’d suggest concentrating more on the “don’t walk alone at night, don’t hang out with guys you don’t know, don’t accept drinks from strangers or let your drink out of your sight, etc.” angle. Ounce of prevention and all that.
Bill-it’s NOt just about religion, okay? :rolleyes:
VD and out of wedlock pregnancies have ALWAYS been around-people are just more open about it now. Hell, Winston Churchill’s father, Lord Randolph Churchill died of syphilis. Everyone was fooling around, it just wasn’t talked about. If a girl got pregnant, they hid it, sent the baby away, or married her off quick. That “people are moving away from God and becoming sinners” is bullshit. YOu just HEAR about it more today. It’s not as hushed up.
Guin,
If you want to tell your kids it is ok to masturbate, that is your business afterall they are your kids. But I on the otherhand don’t want a govt paid teacher(that I help pay for no less) saying anything about masturbation to my kids. So how about you teach your kids what you want them to know about sex and I will teach mine what I want them know about sex and let the teachers teach them how to read and write. Fair enough?
Sure, we here at the SD always fall for the sarcastic reversal… :rolleyes:
The assertion that our society does not put it’s faith in God has NOTHING to do with the failure of abstinence-only sex education!
Ask any alumnus of a Catholic education (who preach abstinence-only) if they ever had pre-marital sex.
I hope that your daughters are able to get enough information from their friends to successfully navigate the sexual minefield that is adolesence, because it appears that they will receive little or no helpful information from you.
Wildest Bill, what do you think is wrong with teaching children about masturbation? It’s as safe as abstinence in terms of pregnancy and STDs, and it can relieve some of the overwhelming randiness of teens and so help prevent or delay sexual intercourse. I’m not talking about a how-to manual–give the kids a good sexual anatomy course and they’ll figure it out–but tell them the truth: it’s safe and won’t make them go blind.
I resent that EJ,
If anything, they might have to much info. I tell them that guys want one thing from them. And they will say or do anything necessary to get what they want. They will tell you they love you. They will say if you love me, show me. And on and on. I have told them come backs to everyone of a guys tactics to seduce a girl. I told them what situations NOT to get into with a guy to prevent a date rape situation.
And EJ not be a jerk or anything but it really MY business how I teach my kids about sex. I mean I don’t think the liberal agenda can have it both ways. They do not want God in school at all but they want to teach our kids all kinds of crap they HAVE NO BUSINESS teaching them.
Just curious, do you agree or disagree parents should have the right to FORBID the govt from teaching their kids about sex?
Well, sign the form so they don’t have to be in that class.
However, there are so many kids that aren’t getting ANY info WHATSOEVER from home, and they NEED that sex ed. I had a friend whose relationship with her parents was crap. So sex ed was a very valuable thing in that case.
Besides, I’m sure your daughters will ask your wife. (I cannot IMAGINE talking about SEX with MY FATHER…ugh…)
Don’t get me wrong, I love my dad, he’s a great guy…but I feel much more comfortable discussing that stuff with my mom, or preferably my friends.
Guinastasia: *That “people are moving away from God and becoming sinners” is bullshit. YOu just HEAR about it more today. It’s not as hushed up. *
Good point, but why are we even letting Bill get away with the implication that acceptance of sex prior to marriage, or of teaching sex ed, is sinful? Speak for yourself, Bill, not for the rest of the believing world or even just for all Christians. There are plenty of devout Christians who would never condemn people for having premarital sex as you seem ready to do, and certainly would never tolerate leaving schoolchildren in the bigoted ignorance that you seem to be advocating.
I must say, I’d be a little more sympathetic to this intolerant attitude if it seemed to produce a more nuanced and profound understanding of sex. But so far WB’s remarks on the subject have read like a parody of insensitive clodhood:
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He thinks that since a man didn’t propose to the woman he lost his virginity with, it must have been because “the sex wasn’t good enough.”
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He thinks premarital sex is typically about a guy tricking a girl into bed with promises of love and then going around bragging to his buddies that he got in her pants.
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He advocates waiting till marriage for sex because that guarantees you a new, clean set of genitals on your partner instead of a beat-up old one that you don’t know where it’s been.
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He assumes that all teenage boys will think and act the way he did at their age (which was presumably before he developed these passionate convictions about the necessity of premarital abstinence) and so he wishes he could lock his daughters up until marriage; for lack of that option, he plans to intimidate his daughters’ future dates with veiled menaces and displays of firearms.
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He asserts that the great thing about marital sex is that the man doesn’t have to wear a condom.
All this reflects absolutely zero attention to ideals such as love, trust, mutual desire, responsibility, respect, self-denial, and caring, and the ways that they are manifested in many sexual relationships both within and outside of marriage. Sex as Wildest Bill describes it is a coarse caricature of the heavily repressive view that sexual activity is merely a commodity that males try to get whenever and however they can, and that females (or their fathers or other males who own their sexuality) must withhold until they can negotiate marital security in exchange for it. This adversarial hostility is to be reinforced by harping on the terrifying potential hazards of sex without providing reliable factual information about them. What a wonderful approach to sex and reproduction for us to pass along to schoolchildren! :rolleyes:
Folks, what we have here is a sexual perspective that is practically worthy—and I don’t say this lightly—of Jack Dean Tyler. If this is what many schools and parents are advocating in place of responsible, informed sex education for teens, our rising generation is in big trouble.
*Originally posted by Guinastasia *
You don’t mind me turning this around ya do ya? There are lots of kids that don’t have any info at all God. So shouldn’t the school at least mention it to them. Afterall if the atheist are wrong and there is a Hell. Shouldn’t the kids at least have a chance to avoid it? Hey don’t flame me quin started it. 
But my kids thing I am cool. 
I am sure you are going to get some quality info from them (friends).
Since we’re not in the Pit, and I don’t feel like refraining from beating Bill about the head with the clue-by-four anymore I’m dropping out of this thread before my blood pressure gets any higher. 
However, I would like to say that I think this:
Is about the grossest thing I’ve read on the board this year. Up to and including the JDT threads, and the discussion of felching.
Oops - one other thing. Kimsu, if you think what WB is frightening for the next generation, I invite you to do a search for “abstinence only” on your favorite search engine.
But you know, the children must be protected from us Godless heathens who’d teach them that safe sex can be fun and healthy - when they’re ready for it. :rolleyes:
And that’s it for me.
In a comparative religions course, sure. And if you think any child raised in the US could have no info about God, let alone none about the Christian God, I have to ask what cave on Mars you’ve been living in. :rolleyes:
To be serious, the reason we teach about sex and not usually about God (and certainly do not talk about God in school in the same manner that He is talked about in church, i.e. as if His existence is pure fact and His commands are the ones your church endorses) is twofold. 1) Separation of Church and State. If you do not wish your children to be taught in public schools that Satanism is the One True Way, I’d advise you to think hard as to whether teaching religion in school is such a Good Thing. Aside from the wrongness of such an idea in the first place, endorsement of any religion in public schools is unconstitutional. 2) The existence of sexual organs, sex, pregancy and STDs can be scientifically and empirically demonstrated. Religious beliefs are not science and cannot be empirically proved like science. The dangers of Hell you claim cannot be empirically proven, nor can it be proven that your religion is the right one to save anyone from a Hell we can’t even prove exists!
Kimstu: I agree 100%
Why thank you! Please, won’t someone use it as their sig? I would feel HONORED to be quoted? 
Bill, it is Guin, not QUIN. G, as in GIRL.
Um…yeah, you only THINK your kids think you’re kewl. (I wonder if Bill’s daughters on here on the SDMB…)
However, in my friend’s case, she doesn’t know anything about sex, gets pregnant, and her parents kick her out…ooookay. But her parents always taught her about GOD…what do you say to that?
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*Originally posted by Kimstu *
**Guinastasia: *That “people are moving away from God and becoming sinners” is bullshit. YOu just HEAR about it more today. It’s not as hushed up. *
I am not condemimng anybody. God only can do that. Hey it IS NONE of the gov’t business teaching my kids or for that matter any kids about sex. NONE. You liberal people want to brainwash kids in to free love and anything goes as long as they are using protection.
Does it not happen? And your liberal media through movies has this happening all the time. I could list the movies if you like?
I don’t know about being beat up but it sure wouldn’t have some funky disease in it. And you don’t know where its been? And it is funny how (most) everybody always wants a virgin?
All true. (except for the locking up my girls part that was just a silly exageration)
Let me reclarify one of the great things.
You have all this in a marriage I don’t thing so in a just a sexual relationship.
Not to far off from the truth.
I guess you don’t think AIDS is terrifying why don’t you go ask someone that has it and see what they think?
They are not just schoolchildren they are somebodies children that don’t want you teaching them YOUR versian of sex.
Hey they(kids) already in big trouble your liberal gov’t ain’t fixin it. Maybe it is time man admitted he is limited in what he can do and he might need God afterall?
Guin,
Your wish has been granted. For a while, anyway. I’m still considering that Bloom County quote.
::sigh:: Wildest Bill, I thought you had accepted, based on the evidence we showed you, that comprehensive sex ed was most effective at delaying sexual intercourse and preventing pregancy and STD. Much better than nothing, and even more effective at this than abstinence-only teaching. Have you changed your mind on this? The goverment is teaching kids facts about their bodies, birth control, pregnancy and STDs, and the end result is lower STD rates and later and less teen sex. Do you wish to throw all this away?
LOL…thanks.
Wildest Bill…do you post to alt.conspiracy?
Just a thought.
BTW, I would never condemn anyone for having sex when they felt ready. Like I said, the thing that annoys me is little twits having sex with a guy they’ve known a week, but they won’t go to the OBGYN because a pelvic exam is “icky” and “embarassing.”