Gee we had a draft during Vietnam no kidding? I should have been more specific but we haven’t had a draft since 1975 and we maintained a mucher larger military during the rest of the cold war than we have today without a draft. Irregardless this rant is fucking stupid.
Irregardless??
Making up words now?
Navy and Air Force enlistments are way up.
Army and Marines are way down.
Wonder why?
We had a draft from WWII though 1975. Let’s say the Cold War started in 1946, and ended in 19… oh …89. Please state whether the larger part of the Cold War was with a draft, or without a draft. Let’s say the Vietnam War started in 19… oh …62, and ended in 1973. Please state whether the draft was in effect in other years when there was no Vietnam War. Please state whether my cite refers to the Korean War (1950-1953) or the Vietnam War. Please put lots of Vaseline around your neck before you remove your head from your ass; you wouldn’t want to damage your brain cell.
Ouch. He’s got you there, treis. “Irregardless” is a double-negative, as both the prefix “ir-” and the suffix “-less” mean “without.” Ergo, there will be a draft. Sorry, dude, can’t fight logic like that.
And we’ve had how many major conflicts since then that have sucked up every military resource in the country with no end in sight? Answer: none. And let us not forget the desire to do the same to Iran. The Cold War was not a hot war. Peacetime attracts enlisments. Wartime discourages them, usually directly proportional to the length of the conflict. Current estimates are for a minimum of five more years of Iraqi occupation.
So, with enlistments down, demand up, and the global empire aspirations of the current regime, just how naive does a person have to be to think that young men and women are going to flock to the recruiters’ offices without being forced to do so?
:rolleyes: A thousand pardons for my corruption of the english Languange
Anyway, aside from, but, despite, distinct from, leaving aside, nevertheless, nonetheless, notwithstanding, without considering we maintained much larger troop deployments after Vietnam without the draft.
You are also incorrect about enlistments all branches met their '04 goals
Ok numbnuts let me spell it out exactly for the retarded ones amongst us.
Between the years 1975-1991 (thats when the Soviet Union fell btw) we had a much larger active duty force than we do now without a draft. Are there any other irrelevant nits you would like to pick?
Chefguy-
They did in '04 why would they stop?
This still doesn’t sell me on how the draft is coming. Doesn’t it still have to be approved by officials that would like to be re-elected? That’s an honest question there. My ignorance of government is profound. Still, if it has to go pass the congress critters, I think that their dedication to serving their constituents would prevent them from sending their (the constituents) kids off to war.
I’m sorry, but for all this PNAC paranoia I still don’t see the draft getting off the ground.
From your link…
All of the U.S. Military services, with the exception of the Army and Air National Guard met their recruiting and retention goals for Fiscal Year 2004 (which ended on September 30), according to Department of Defense (DOD) recruiting documents.
Surprisingly, however, while the Army and Air National Guard missed their FY 2004 recruiting goal, the Army, Naval, Marine Corps and Air Force Reserve said they’d met their recruiting goals for the year.
All of them did?
Do you have a problem with reading comprehension too?
Or does your site have no idea what it’s talking about?
You do realize your cite refers to both of those wars along with many others? Perhaps you should keep the Vaseline.
Haven’t they already done that?
Only the volunteers. The draft is an entirely different and more negative species.
U.S. troops in Vietnam peaked at about 550,000 in 1968. Please state a larger deployment in any country since the draft.
The Cold War effectively ended in 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Just ask Reagan.
Well, no shit Sherlock! Without a Cold War, and without a Hot War, why pay for a bloated military? You keep a standing army around, you gotta find something to do with 'em. Bush didn’t bother to build up the standing army before he started a Hot War, and now they need more soldiers. Sabres are also being rattled at North Korea, Iran, and Syria, among others. Can you honestly say you do not believe a draft is near? Can you honestly say that if we invade other countries, we will not need a draft?
You’re the one that got all bent out of shape about Vietnam when the part I quoted referred to Korea, both of which were during the Cold War that you were so adamant had no draft. I just assumed that you were ignorant of history. I suppose I need to apologize. I’m sorry that you are ignorant of history.
I don’t think so.
The Pubbies have other options. First and foremost, declare victory and the get the Hell out of BaghDodge. Then, when the inevitable debacle ensues, blame the liberals for tying their hands. Its worked before, it will work again.
It’s all our fault, Tinkerbelle died because we didn’t clap hard enough. And don’t forget, if you diss The Leader, you’re spitting on our Heroes.
I respectfully disagree.
I don’t think Bush has the balls to run. He never makes any mistakes you know.
We will stay till the bloody end if for nothing else than that Bush can say in 2008, that we need to elect his hand chosen candidate because we are at war.
My cite is talking about active duty troops, which your cite talked about and what we are talking about isn’t it?
Damnit I though I had idiot proofed my statements let me try agian.
We maintained a larger military than we currently have now after the draft ended in 1975. Ergo we do not need the draft to increase our military. Is this that fucking hard of a concept to understand?
Wait holy fuck they are thinking about increasing the army? I thought this thread was about increasing the number of ice cream truck drivers.
No there is no draft near nor will there be any full scale invasions of any countries during the remainder of the Bush presidency. I am willing to put down any amount of money if you care to wager.
Why we are bothering to argue about this I don’t know. The letter mentions nothing about a draft. Reeder did what he always does post a quote from a website add a logically twisted conclusion and a little one liner although I noticed he forgot the :rolleyes: in this one.
Listen numbnuts I know that there was a draft during the cold war. I also know that we maintained a larger army than we currently have for over a decade without a fucking draft. Christ I would have more sucess yelling at the wall then getting my point across to you.
Respectfully re-disagree. You’re assuming that GeeDubya has to admit failure. Notice I say “declare victory”. I mean what I say. Yes, it would be one heck of a big fib. Can he sell it? Have you noticed the contingent of true believers hereabouts? Think they wouldn’t buy it?
And later, when the trajectory of the shit intersects the locus of the fan, and GeeDubya tells him that their political enemies, those namby-pamby liberals, are to blame, think they won’t believe him?
As the Joker said to the Thief:“You and I, we’ve been through that, and this is not our fate…”
Do you want to bet on the draft or an invasion, or both? I’d be happy to put $50 on it if we can work out terms, and a definition of “full scale invasion” that works for both of us. Perhaps we should take that to email. I don’t think I’ve ever made a bet that had four years to run. Perhaps I should look into putting some money on the Orioles in the 2008 World Series.
Would you rather shorten the time frame?