# A list of stuff that pisses me off **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2002, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132 "2002-06-15T01:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/121 "2002-06-18T01:46:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squish \* > \*\*I correct myself: three centuries before Galileo’s work was removed from the Index, not four. > > **Guin** –if Christian establishments suppress thought, does it matter if the thinkers are themselves Christian? > > Just a few examples from [http://www.godless.org/hasd/Banned.html](http://www.godless.org/hasd/Banned.html) : > > 1140 - Abelard - banned > 1278 - Roger Bacon -banned > 1542 - the Koran - banned > 1559 - Dante - banned > 1559 - Bocaccio - banned > 1559 - Calvin - banned > 1559 - Erasmus - banned > 1581 - Dante, again - banned > 1624 - Luther’s translation of the Bible - banned > 1633 - Our pal Galileo - banned > 1640 - Cervantes - banned > 1644 - Milton - banned > 1649 - Francis Bacon - banned > 1665 - Descartes - banned > 1676 - Montaigne - banned > 1700 - Locke - banned > 1720 - Defoe - banned > > Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera… \*\* You **do** understand the difference between the Christian establishment (in this case the catholic church and its offspring, the orthodox and anglican churches) and Christian people, right? The catholic church certainly does not speak for me, nor does it speak for Christian faith in general. In fact, it doesn’t even speak for a significant fraction of catholics. It speaks for itself: The bureaucracy controlling the catholic church. Christianity didn’t suppress anybody. The Catholic Church did. It may seem too fine a point to you, but it’s an important distinction. In fact, your own post supports my statement. How many of the banned people on your list were Christian, or even Catholic? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/122 "2002-06-18T03:00:45Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m just curious. Your whole argument is based on the fact that other groups have been repressive, not just Christians. Doesn’t this go back to the simplistic “two wrongs don’t make a right” theory? I just don’t see how more than one group doing something wrong makes it suddenly okay. There should be less finger pointing of course, but we shouldn’t close our eyes to it all together. Um, I think you have the wrong end of the stick. Who the hell said, “more than one group doing something wrong makes it suddenly okay”? Repression and censorship are NEVER okay. My point is that is absurd to point fingers only at the Christians whne other groups are just as guilty. Christians are no better and no worse than the common run of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/123 "2002-06-18T03:48:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe\_Cool \* > **Christianity didn’t suppress anybody. The Catholic Church did. It may seem too fine a point to you, but it’s an important distinction.** \So Christianity didn’t burn hundreds of thousands of people, Christians did. Christianity didn’t force-convert the Native Peoples of the Americas, Christians did. Christianity didn’t murder the Albigensians, Christians did. Christianity didn’t sack the city of Constantinople, stable its horses in the churches, wipe its collective butts with pages from the holy books, rip the gold off the icons–Christians did. I guess it’s too fine a point for me. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > \*\*In fact, your own post supports my statement. How many of the banned people on your list were Christian, or even Catholic? \*\* What?! Does it make it better or worse that most of them were Christians? I’m sorry, I just don’t get your point here and I’m going to have to ask for clarification. Now–care to answer any of my other points? ---
**Author:** ![Com2Kid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@Com2Kid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Com2Kid)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/124 "2002-06-18T03:56:11Z")
People who don’t read because “it is too much work”. People who openly admit that they do not think about things too much because “it is too much work”. People from the above two catagories who find me reading a book and / or deep in thought about somethind and accuse me of being lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/125 "2002-06-18T03:59:42Z")
In any event, since no one is actually addressing any points that I did make, but getting upset over points I did not make, just drop it. You’re not going to convince me, and I’m not going to convince you. ---
**Author:** ![ratty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ccd318/32.png) [@ratty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/126 "2002-06-18T07:34:29Z")
[hijack] Not to kiss ass, but I just wanted to thank and applaud **gobear** for his excellent posts filled with useful and objective information. Sir, you have lessened my ignorance. I thank you for it. [/hijack] **WV Woman** , where have you gone? I was enjoying your breath-takingly stupid hate-filled invective. Please come back. I’m sort of depressed today, and need to feel morally and intellectualy superior to someone, and my cat just ain’t cutting it. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/127 "2002-06-18T20:23:27Z")
Gobear, I said in my post that there should be less finger pointing. I agree with you completely on that. What I was talking about is the fact that you seemed, in my opinion, to be dismissing everything Squish was saying just b/c Christians weren’t the ONLY ones commiting these acts. Turning a blind eye to it, if you will. Squish never said that Christians were the only ones who commited these acts, she merely stated that there are some religions who haven’t (pagans, ect.) a point that you have refused to acknowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132/128 "2002-06-18T20:36:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WV\_Woman \* > \*\*Is there any way to fix it? \*\* Yes. Yes there is. :::saunters away whistling::: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-stuff-that-pisses-me-off/114132.md?page=6)