# A list of things my children will never have to experience/worry about **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 6, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154 "2018-08-06T03:29:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/61 "2018-08-08T05:01:49Z")
[quote=“raventhief, post:59, topic:819154”] Is this it? > **[Bobby Gaylor - Suicide Lyrics | SongMeanings](https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/42267/)** [/QUOTE] Though, sorry - time frame is wrong. REelased n 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/62 "2018-08-08T05:20:39Z")
I see an avatar! When did that happen? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/63 "2018-08-08T05:22:14Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > That’s insane. And dare I say, sadistic and depraved. If life is so bad then why are you still living? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/64 "2018-08-08T05:24:07Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > I see an avatar! When did that happen? A few hours ago 🙂 [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21134240#post21134240](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21134240#post21134240) OOH something else the OP’s children will never have to worry about: avatars on a message board ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Flavius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@Marcus\_Flavius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marcus_Flavius)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/65 "2018-08-08T05:27:26Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > If life is so bad then why are you still living? If you love life so much, why don’t you marry it? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/66 "2018-08-08T05:37:06Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > If you love life so much, why don’t you marry it? Are you twelve? ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Flavius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@Marcus\_Flavius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marcus_Flavius)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/67 "2018-08-08T05:38:51Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Are you twelve? When people hit me with an infantile and nonsensical question, I reply with something equally as infantile and nonsensical. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/68 "2018-08-08T05:44:12Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > When people hit me with an infantile and nonsensical question, I reply with something equally as infantile and nonsensical. I don’t think it’s nonsensical nor infantile to wonder why, if life is an unending series of pain for you, why you are still slogging through it. What are you trying to accomplish or convey with this sort of thread? Do you want us to argue you out of your misery? Agree that life is nothing but sorrow? Shrug and ignore it? What’s your purpose here? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/69 "2018-08-08T05:51:30Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > When people hit me with an infantile and nonsensical question, I reply with something equally as infantile and nonsensical. Infantile and nonsensical are adjectives that describe your OP quite nicely. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/70 "2018-08-08T05:54:42Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I don’t think it’s nonsensical nor infantile to wonder why, if life is an unending series of pain for you, why you are still slogging through it. > > What are you trying to accomplish or convey with this sort of thread? Do you want us to argue you out of your misery? Agree that life is nothing but sorrow? Shrug and ignore it? What’s your purpose here? If you relentlessly posted about hating your wife, someone (s) would suggest divorce. If you talked endlessly about how soul destroying your job is, you’d get suggestions to quit. If your family caused you even a fraction of the grief listed in your op against life and existence, you’d hear suggestions to cut ties with them. If it is so relentlessly painful to you, then why is the question “infantile and nonsensical”? ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Flavius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@Marcus\_Flavius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marcus_Flavius)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/71 "2018-08-08T05:56:34Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I don’t think it’s nonsensical nor infantile to wonder why, if life is an unending series of pain for you, why you are still slogging through it. > > What are you trying to accomplish or convey with this sort of thread? Do you want us to argue you out of your misery? Agree that life is nothing but sorrow? Shrug and ignore it? What’s your purpose here? I simply have no interest in suicide at the moment. That’s it. I did not choose to be here, so why should I have to inflict severe harm on myself in an attempt to escape? All I want is for people to consider the truth in my views. To consider not dragging another soul down here to needlessy suffer and die. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/72 "2018-08-08T06:04:21Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > All I want is for people to consider the truth in my views. To consider not dragging another soul down here to needlessy suffer and die. I gave all your views consideration when I was a stupid teenager. Thank god I grew out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/73 "2018-08-08T06:45:18Z")
This is a sad thread. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/74 "2018-08-08T06:53:02Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > Today’s entertainment industry is kind of hooked on cheap manipulation of audience emotion about horrific torture and painful slow accidental death. I think it’s a case where we can be subconsciously influenced by entertainment, and not as conditioned to give the same response as people more readily do in opposition to Nervous Nellies (or Neds) about air travel, though the odds of being tortured to death for the average first world person\* are probably a lot lower than being in a plane crash. I don’t mind the entertainment industry doing it - I do mind the news industry doing it. No wonder so many people think we’re in the middle of a crime wave. Every story is someone getting shot or robbed somewhere. And if they can’t fill the hour then you see horrendous stories which turn out to have happened 2,000 miles away. If there isn’t enough crime and horror in the Bay Area to fill an hour, how about a few minutes for an in-depth deep dive into an important issue. Availability is the principle that people think things they have heard about have higher probabilities of occurring - like airplane crashes, or murders versus suicide. But cover real news and people will switch to reality shows, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/75 "2018-08-08T12:46:47Z")
- RECORD SCRATCH \* We get avatars now? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/76 "2018-08-08T16:21:57Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > This is a sad thread. Most of the OP’s threads seem to be that way. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/77 "2018-08-08T17:38:55Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > Consider a thought experiment- there’s an uninhabited planet, and you have a button that when pushed, starts the same process of life on that planet as the one on this planet. You get the chocolate ice cream, you get the sex, you get the cool 80s music, you get the beautiful sunsets, but you also have to claim responsibility for the trillions of sentient organisms suffering, every cancer, every suicide, every genocide- from a purely objective pov, can you justify pressing the button? I’m going to pretend for a second that this question has been asked without being burdened by any of the other crap in this thread. My answer to this is “I have no particular interest in creating this planet, for the simple reason that I have no interest in creating this planet. If I _did_ have an interest in it - if creating it would let me be the tyrant god of it or something, then I’d do it promptly! But if I just get to create it and that’s it, nothing else happens to me, it doesn’t impact me at all either way, then why would I bother?” This isn’t because I think that life sucks and therefore I should commit suicide immediately if not sooner. That’s stupid. It’s just that I have no vested interest in planetmaking. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/78 "2018-08-08T17:42:43Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > I simply have no interest in suicide at the moment. That’s it. I did not choose to be here, so why should I have to inflict severe harm on myself in an attempt to escape? > > All I want is for people to consider the truth in my views. To consider not dragging another soul down here to needlessy suffer and die. You don’t feel like committing suicide? Great! I don’t think you should commit suicide either. And I _certainly_ don’t want you thinking I’m pressuring you to. However it’s worth noting that the fact you haven’t committed suicide annihilates your argument. If life was really _that bad_, you’d find a way to get out of it. But you don’t! Which proves it’s not, at least not for you, which means there’s hope for others! Yay! ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/79 "2018-08-08T17:58:29Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I gave all your views consideration when I was a stupid teenager. Thank god I grew out of it. Ah, but if you had never been born, maybe you would have agreed with him. Or something. It’s really quite confusing. It seems preposterous, but David Benatar is a real philosopher who makes a serious case for this position. Perhaps it’s not ultimately all that profound, but it’s always good to challenge your gut intuition about something, _especially_ when that gut intuition is so strong - obviously any evolved creature will have an extremely strong instinctive belief that existing is better than not existing. Not quite the same, but I think the brilliant ethical philosopher Peter Singer is much more interesting and challenging on examining the value of life. If you find yourself in opposition to his views on an issue (as many do, rather violently!), read his ideas and arguments and try to refute them - whether you do so successfully or not, it will make you a smarter and wiser person. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154/80 "2018-08-08T18:09:07Z")
> [@Marcus\_Flavius](#): > > I simply have no interest in suicide at the moment. That’s it. I did not choose to be here, so why should I have to inflict severe harm on myself in an attempt to escape? > > All I want is for people to consider the truth in my views. To consider not dragging another soul down here to needlessy suffer and die. I’m going to share my story, by way of illustrating (I hope) that I understand where you’re coming from. My father was abusive, not sexually but physically. He would pick me up and throw me into walls. He would hit me. There was screaming. I never knew what triggered it, and I was the target child. I can still pop my arm out of my shoulder if I rotate it just the right way - leftover from being dangled and shaken enough times. I was very depressed throughout my childhood. I was very depressed throughout college. Like you, I swore that I would never, ever have children. What was the point? Life was an endless series of pain and hardship. The truth is that I had my reasons for thinking so, and they were valid ones. **Marcus** , from what you’ve said, your reasons are valid too. Life got better though. My life is better. It may seem impossible now. I’m sure it does, but it can happen. I eventually had children. You may want that someday. Be kind to yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-list-of-things-my-children-will-never-have-to-experience-worry-about/819154.md?page=5)