# A lot of women are coming forward with rape accusations against Bill Cosby.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093 "2014-11-19T17:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/141 "2014-11-21T17:39:05Z")
Couple of interesting things here. One. I have never seen before a thread so _completely_ hijacked. Well done! Two. Innocent until proven guilty is an important and wonderful principle. But it doesn’t mean we automatically disbelieve an accuser. Where there is smoke, there might actually be a fire. Three. We have a higher threshold of disbelief when it comes to people we like. Hard to believe Bill Cosby, with the comedy and the jello and the cute things kids say, would drug and rape women. Sean Hannity, the smarmy little fuck, not so much. I guess we want to think the people we like are people like us. Four. This leads us to the disconnect. I find it hard to believe that Cosby, who I do not know, could do such a heinous thing like drug and rape women. Whereas I have very little trouble believing that 14 different women, whom I do not know, would do a heinous thing like make up a terrible story, publish lies and slander in order to get…I don’t even know what. Brains. Man, somebody should study this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/142 "2014-11-21T17:45:20Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > Eyebrows, thank you. If it’s in fact true that Shagnasty said such a thing and was not kidding (or misinterpreted), that explains a few things … and one can reasonably conclude (s)he’s too dumb to engage in any self-preservation tactics (like, oh, not admitting to committing criminal acts in a public forum) (it may be (s)he’s too stupid to understand that attempted rape encompasses at least two criminal acts). Nope, not joking or misinterpreted. What made it even worse was it wasn’t said in an “I did this horrible thing when I was younger/My behavior was awful/I am so sorry/I understand what I did was wrong” type of way. He posted it to brag and to then say how proud he was to have gotten away with it. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/143 "2014-11-21T17:48:56Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > One. I have never seen before a thread so _completely_ hijacked. Well done! Alas, it has not been _completely_ hijacked. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/144 "2014-11-21T17:54:00Z")
I like ginger ale. ---
**Author:** ![Fallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Fallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fallen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/145 "2014-11-21T17:54:27Z")
Eyebrows: Well, if anyone knows where (s)he is, they’re free to share (via private message or otherwise) and I’ll be happy to contact law enforcement. (S)he may live – or the crimes committed may be – in a state with no statute of limitations on felonies. The other “charter members” of the board should be ashamed to allow him/her to remain. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/146 "2014-11-21T18:06:44Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > The other “charter members” of the board should be ashamed to allow him/her to remain. Mighty tall horse y’got there, pardner. ---
**Author:** ![Fallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Fallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fallen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/147 "2014-11-21T18:17:30Z")
Andros, you should find it sad that you’d make a comment suggesting that I’m on a high horse for observing the board should have some standards and reject someone who’d brag about attempted rape, and yet have the audacity (by comparison) to take issue with use of the word “cunt” or “motherfucker”. Or am I wrong? (Please don’t post unless you’ve a rational and factual basis on which to disagree. I know how fond some people here are of staking out untenable ground and never surrendering because they believe their egos couldn’t withstand it. There are exceptions, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/148 "2014-11-21T18:25:50Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > The other “charter members” of the board should be ashamed to allow him/her to remain. We let _you_ stay. Clearly we have no standards at all. [sub]🙂 C’mon, you served up a softball. Couldn’t help but hit it![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/149 "2014-11-21T18:35:39Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > Andros, you should find it sad that you’d make a comment suggesting that I’m on a high horse for observing the board should have some standards and reject someone who’d brag about attempted rape, and yet have the audacity (by comparison) to take issue with use of the word “cunt” or “motherfucker”. Or am I wrong? Yes. I have no love for Shagnasty or things he might have done, but I don’t pretend that I get to determine who is allowed on the board. > [@](#): > > (Please don’t post unless you’ve a rational and factual basis on which to disagree…) Ah, now you’re also in charge of determining who is allowed to respond to you and under what conditions? Well, at least you’re helping us hijack this thread. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/150 "2014-11-21T18:39:41Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > Or am I wrong? If you feel someone has broken the rules of the Board, and have sufficient evidence to support the claim, please report it to the moderators and/or the owners of the SDMB. If you feel someone has broken a law, and have sufficient evidence to support the claim, please report it to appropriate law enforcement. _Do_ you have evidence of either of the above? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/151 "2014-11-21T18:44:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Carla Ferrigno, who is now married to bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, said she was working as a Playboy Bunny in 1967 when she went on a double date with the comedian and his wife. She claims the date ended up at the Cosbys’ house, and when Cosby’s wife Camille retired for the evening, and her companion disappeared, Cosby attacked her. > > “He was much bigger than me. Much bigger and he pulled me so hard and so rough. I had never been treated so roughly and he pulled me hard to him so hard,” she told the Daily Mail. “And then kissed me so hard, right in the mouth. No one has ever been that physically violent with me. I was stunned. I was frozen. I took all my body strength and used both of my arms to stop him and push him away from me. He was so forceful.” > > She said she was speaking out now because “I want to be one of those women. One more nail in the coffin.” [http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/21/lou-ferrigno-wife-carla-ferrigno-latest-to-accuse-bill-cosby-assault/](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/21/lou-ferrigno-wife-carla-ferrigno-latest-to-accuse-bill-cosby-assault/) the video on that page is damning ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/152 "2014-11-21T18:45:54Z")
Is there any fucking reason at all for that person to make a claim like that? Except it happened? Fuck, Bill Cosby, you are pretty much doomed at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Fallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Fallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fallen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/153 "2014-11-21T18:47:48Z")
Eyebrows is the person who relayed the information. If it was posted here, one presumes that the relevant moderators saw it, or their attention was directed toward it. “If you feel someone has broken a law, and have sufficient evidence to support the claim, please report it to appropriate law enforcement.” Were you even paying attention to the subthread where I suggested to Eyebrows that (s)he’s free to relay information about where “Shagnasty” is located so that I could do precisely that? “Do you have evidence of either of the above?” See prior comment. If indeed Shagnasty bragged about attempted rape, that is direct (not circumstantial) evidence. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/154 "2014-11-21T18:56:42Z")
So…you have no specifics at all, but choose to proceed in righteous indignation anyway. And it’s _other people_ who stake out untenable positions? ---
**Author:** ![Fallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Fallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fallen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/155 "2014-11-21T19:01:46Z")
Andros, it may well be that you’re unfamiliar with criminal complaints are processed, but a person bragging about how (s)he committed (necessarily at least two) crimes (at least one of which would necessarily be a felony) is sufficiently “specific” to not only initiate an investigation but initiate a criminal charge (_e.g._, in this context, not merely reasonable suspicion but probable cause)(assuming the date of the act is sufficient to bring it within a statute of limitations, if applicable) (as stated, in a number of states a felony will have no statute of limitations). ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/156 "2014-11-21T19:09:25Z")
Here ya go. First time I can recall he told the tale: [April 2006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7256450&postcount=12) Second time I can find with a quick search: [January 2007](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8207227&postcount=2) Third time, the one that everyone seems to remember: [September, 2007](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7256450&postcount=12) The thing that really boggles my mind is that it’s basically a cut and paste job. So either he has this on his computer somewhere and he just cuts and pastes it every time he wants to trot it out again, or he’s so delighted in the tale he has it memorized. Lovely, eh? I think he’s a loathsome excuse for a human being, but technically, nothing there breaks board rules, so I don’t think banning is appropriate, either. Letting all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out, by virtue of repeated exposure, so everyone knows exactly what kind of person we’re dealing with, that’s appropriate (and within my power, which banning isn’t). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/157 "2014-11-21T19:12:38Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > There are thousands of people worldwide that claim they have been abducted by UFO’s or know of secret bases that the government is storing them in . Many more claim to have first-hand accounts of Bigfoot and lots of other extremely improbable things. Many of those people aren’t truly lying - they really believe it. Human perception and recollection of events isn’t like a camcorder. It can be much more similar to a video that is sent through a special effects program. It is much worse as time goes by and anything over a few years old is extremely suspect no matter how many people claim it. Please clarify that you are not saying that when a woman makes a rape allegation that it is only to be taken as seriously as a UFO or Bigfoot sighting? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/158 "2014-11-21T19:12:39Z")
I’m pretty sure a false rape accuser killed **kstarnes** ’ father. > [@Fallen](#): > > Hopefully, no loved ones of any of the jokester posters have been sexually assaulted or will be (though as to women particularly, a not insignificant percentage of them will be at some point in their lifetime, to whatever degree). Excuse me? I was conceived in rape and sexually abused by two stepfathers. I’m not going to be shamed for talking about coleslaw in a misogynist’s rape thread (though admittedly, I really wish we’d go back to the subject of peas. Nobody really gave peas a chance.) This is seriously one of the most beautiful things that has ever happened on this board and you will not taint it for me. If we’re gonna shame anyone here, it’s asshats like **kstarnes** who can’t grok the difference between ‘‘reasonable doubt’’ and ‘‘ways sexual assault actually happen.’’ ‘‘Women are such liars because nobody could possibly be forced to give a man a handjob’’ is not a real argument. It should not be taken seriously. It should not be dignified in any meaningful way. The fact that Dopers appear to be in nearly unanimous agreement on that subject warms my little victim heart tremendously. > [@Fallen](#): > > As for this and the other comments, just because the OP’s motivation for posting was X, that doesn’t act as a pass to do Y. In other words, two wrongs don’t make a right. A correct thing to do if you believe the sole function continuing a thread that you assert was created by a troll is to … abandon/ignore it, no? There’s such a thing as an ethical breach of conduct even by Pit standards, but if something as innocuous as hijacking a troll’s stupid OP sets your heart aflutter, you’re in for some serious disappointment. > [@WhyNot](#): > > But shockingly enough, it didn’t inform my every thought on every other rape. He stole my virginity, not my brain. A fucking men. > [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Every time \*\*Shagnasty \*\*posts about rape, it’s good to keep in mind that he once said how he was just about to rape a friend’s girlfriend, but the only thing that stopped him was she was on her period. Do we have a link to this? Because this is news to me, and WTF? On preview: Thanks **WhyNot.** And I’m sorry for hijacking this thread, but [this needed to be shared.](http://www.theonion.com/articles/bill-cosby-offers-to-sit-down-with-us-and-explain,37507/) ---
**Author:** ![Fallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Fallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fallen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/159 "2014-11-21T19:16:33Z")
Spice, no one’s asking or telling you to be ashamed. You’re free to do as you like. Don’t mistake someone making a legitimate observation as an expectation or demand that someone be “ashamed”. (That you’d articulate/present the issue in this way should be meaningful to you, esp. given your history.) “There’s such a thing as an ethical breach of conduct even by Pit standards, but if something as innocuous as hijacking a troll’s stupid OP sets your heart aflutter…” There’s no reason to interpret what I’ve said as my heart being “set … aflutter.” I observed that one is in fact arguably still feeding the troll in the way (s)he desired, and the discussion about coleslaw could’ve been taken elsewhere. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093/160 "2014-11-21T19:27:30Z")
> [@Fallen](#): > > There’s no reason to interpret what I’ve said as my heart being “set … aflutter.” I observed that one is in fact arguably still feeding the troll in the way (s)he desired, and the discussion about coleslaw could’ve been taken elsewhere. 🙂 Never underestimate the healing power of mockery. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-lot-of-women-are-coming-forward-with-rape-accusations-against-bill-cosby/705093.md?page=9)