# A love that will never die, until the sequel **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 24, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540 "2014-11-24T23:29:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/21 "2014-11-26T01:08:18Z")
This is timely because they’re turning the movie series [into a TV show](http://www.tntdrama.com/shows/the-librarians.html): in the **Librarian** movies the titular librarian gets the girl in each movie. And she has dumped him by the time the next movie starts. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/22 "2014-11-26T12:30:53Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Sorry…I thought the OP was asking for more inclusive examples…including the love interest getting offed at the beginning of the sequel to up the stakes. At least that has some payoff. The examples I was looking for were the ones where you are made to (or they attempt to make you) care about a relationship throughout a movie and then it is completely invalidated and dismissed by something that happens off screen in between movies. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/23 "2014-11-26T13:42:17Z")
Yea, of all these examples, Die Hard was the most realistic for me. Their marriage was on the rocks in the first one, a one-time event usually doesn’t change that because the underlying people didn’t change. Sure, the wife is grateful she’s not dead, but that doesn’t solve the emotional problems or long-distance issues that put the marriage on the rocks in the first place. Same with the second movie. The most unrealistic part of the third is when he tries to call her from a pay phone. Let it go already. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/24 "2014-11-26T15:20:30Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Marion seems a little…free-spirited to be tied down as the housewife to some boring archeology professor. Besides, we all know that _Raiders_ was actually a Walter Mitty-esque fantasy of a milquetoast Professor Henry (self-named “Indiana”) Jones, hence why the “Ark”–one in yet another of valueless treasures Jones uncovers after going to some garage sale–is placed in a giant warehouse full of other crap that the University and Army don’t have any use for. Right? > > You have your answer–Liz Shue had to dump Macchio in order to hook up with Michael J. Fox. Given who is still getting acting roles, can you blame her? Besides, Macchio wasn’t even the star of _The Karate Kid_; he was just some punk that showed up and did some ridiculous training montage culminating in a crane kick off a pier that via the same kind of black magic used in _Big_ makes him suddenly superior to a student who has been training and conditioning in pursuit of his art for years. And what does he do when he gains this skill? Is he benevolent and merciful, sweeping his opponent out or winning by legal point-gaining moves? No, he crane kicks his opponent in the head and jumps joyfully while his opponent is crumpled to the floor, probably suffering a crippling cerebral hemorrhage. What a dick. He didn’t deserve Elizabeth Shue. Neither did Val Kilmer, but whatever. > > And to the o.p., isn’t _Speed_ and its craptastically lackadaisical sequel kind of the poster boy for this sort of thing? > > Stranger Appeal to mercy ended with sweep the leg. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/25 "2014-11-26T15:41:56Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I caught the end of Die Hard on TV over the weekend. I know, it’s too early for a Christmas movie. But it got me to thinking. In Die Hard and in the 2nd one McClane and Holly have a strained relationship which is made stronger by the adversity they go through. Apparently they didn’t face death enough because in between the 2nd and 3rd one they broke up again. > > Also Indy and Marion’s relationship seems to be going great at the end of Raiders but we don’t see her again until Crystal Skull. > > Any other examples? Bonus if you have information as to why (contract dispute, just wanted a new love interest). The first Indiana Jones sequel was actually a prequel. Since we know Indy screwed Marion and dumped her, that was probably something better left off-screen. In addition, Marion was supposed to be quite a bit younger than Indy, so while they could get away with a few-years-older Harrison Ford playing a younger Indy, it would have been more awkward with using Karen Allen as Marion, and at any rate, the female character in that film was the polar opposite of Marion. So if it came down to recasting the role with a younger actress who looked like Karen Allen, and then showing her all naive and squeamish, which would be her previous traits before being involved with Indy-- the writers didn’t want to go there, and it was probably a good idea. Better to have an entirely new character. Whom Indy also discards. He’s actually a bit of a shmuck. I don’t even remember who the love-interest was in the third movie, but _IJ & the Last Crusade_ was filmed, IIRC, around the same time that Karen Allen was appearing in _The Glass Menagerie_ on Broadway, so she may not have been available for it, and at any rate, it was really about Indy’s relationship with his father, not with a woman. Allen may not have been interested in a really minor role. Sometimes real life writes the script. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/26 "2014-11-26T15:55:20Z")
this is a good reason why Aliens 3 does not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/27 "2014-11-26T16:09:12Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > I don’t even remember who the love-interest was in the third movie, but _IJ & the Last Crusade_ was filmed, IIRC, around the same time that Karen Allen was appearing in _The Glass Menagerie_ on Broadway, so she may not have been available for it, and at any rate, it was really about Indy’s relationship with his father, not with a woman. Allen may not have been interested in a really minor role. It was the Nazi scientist, Elsa. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/28 "2017-01-06T11:55:40Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > This is timely because they’re turning the movie series [into a TV show](http://www.tntdrama.com/shows/the-librarians.html): in the **Librarian** movies the titular librarian gets the girl in each movie. And she has dumped him by the time the next movie starts. OT, I know, but IMHO, any TV show called _The Librarian_ should have an orangutan in the title role. Or at least a guy in an orangutan suit… ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/29 "2017-01-06T12:58:08Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > There’s a reason these relationships were on the rocks. Survivor sex can’t last forever and the protagonist hasn’t addressed his problems. In fact being the big, dumb hero only seems to reinforce them. > > As for examples, the first two Bourne films, the first two Austin Powers… > [@Morbo](#): > > The first two Bourne Films? You mean, where at the beginning of the second film they’re still happy and together until she’s assassinated by a bullet meant for him? Sounds to me like the protagonist hadn’t addressed his problems. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/30 "2017-01-06T13:16:34Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > This is timely because they’re turning the movie series [into a TV show](http://www.tntdrama.com/shows/the-librarians.html): in the **Librarian** movies the titular librarian gets the girl in each movie. And she has dumped him by the time the next movie starts. He’s still with the girl so far in the series… ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/31 "2017-01-06T13:43:49Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > OT, I know, but IMHO, any TV show called _The Librarian_ should have an orangutan in the title role. > > Or at least a guy in an orangutan suit… Ook. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/32 "2017-01-06T14:32:33Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I caught the end of Die Hard on TV over the weekend. I know, it’s too early for a Christmas movie. But it got me to thinking. In Die Hard and in the 2nd one McClane and Holly have a strained relationship which is made stronger by the adversity they go through. Apparently they didn’t face death enough because in between the 2nd and 3rd one they broke up again. > > Also Indy and Marion’s relationship seems to be going great at the end of Raiders but we don’t see her again until Crystal Skull. > > Any other examples? Bonus if you have information as to why (contract dispute, just wanted a new love interest). I’m not sure what the (now zombie) OP was asking for, but if it’s “loves that don’t die (until the sequel” , then the entire James Bond series counts. Bond didn’t carry over a female from one book to the next, and the movies were pretty much the same. The only sort-of exceptions in the films were Bond’s perpetual flirting with Miss Moneypenny and Sylvia Trench, who shows up as Bond’s kinda girlfriend in both **Dr. No** and **From Russia with Love**. The running joke with her was that they would just be getting started, and Bond would be called on a mission, breaking things up. They decided to drop that after the first two films. Post-Fleming writers of biographies of Bond and pastiches tried to show Bond continuing relationships with Tiffany Case or with Pussy Galore (as in the latest pastiche, Anthony Horowitz’ _Trigger Mortis_), but they invariably break up after a short period together. Of course, Bond was briefly married to Teresa “Tracy” Vincenzo at the end of both the film and the book of _On Her Majesty’s Secret Service_, but she got killed off, preventing any sort of continuity except emotional. Bond’s vengeance for her death carried over into the next book, and the movies made fleeting direct or indirect reference to it ( **Diamonds are Forever, For Your Eyes Only, License to Kill** ) ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/33 "2017-01-06T14:53:17Z")
> [@Arkcon](#): > > I was pretty disappointed the Arthur couldn’t stay in a relationship with Fenchurch. Damn destabilizing region of space. Why did we get the crap neighborhood of the universe. It’s their own fault. Humanoids traveling in hyperspace is inherently risky. EVERYBODY knows that!! They should have read the fine print on their tickets! Been a long while since I’ve seen either movie, but from what I remember Mike Douglas and Kathleen Turner are a solid couple at the end of **Romancing the Stone** , then they hate each other by the beginning of **Jewel of the Nile**. At least, the sequel (which was otherwise crummy) addressed the issue that the couple had created a relationship on a basis of romance and adventure…which doesn’t last. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/34 "2017-01-06T15:12:42Z")
John and Lori finally get married at the end of **Ted** , but Mila Kunis (Lori) didn’t return for **Ted 2** so they got divorced in the meanwhile and the female lead/romance subplot was replaced by Amanda Seyfried. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/35 "2017-01-06T19:21:16Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I’m not sure what the (now zombie) OP was asking for, but if it’s “loves that don’t die (until the sequel” , then the entire James Bond series counts. Bond didn’t carry over a female from one book to the next, and the movies were pretty much the same. The only sort-of exceptions in the films were Bond’s perpetual flirting with Miss Moneypenny and Sylvia Trench, who shows up as Bond’s kinda girlfriend in both **Dr. No** and **From Russia with Love**. The running joke with her was that they would just be getting started, and Bond would be called on a mission, breaking things up. They decided to drop that after the first two films. > > Post-Fleming writers of biographies of Bond and pastiches tried to show Bond continuing relationships with Tiffany Case or with Pussy Galore (as in the latest pastiche, Anthony Horowitz’ _Trigger Mortis_), but they invariably break up after a short period together. > Of course, Bond was briefly married to Teresa “Tracy” Vincenzo at the end of both the film and the book of _On Her Majesty’s Secret Service_, but she got killed off, preventing any sort of continuity except emotional. Bond’s vengeance for her death carried over into the next book, and the movies made fleeting direct or indirect reference to it ( **Diamonds are Forever, For Your Eyes Only, License to Kill** ) Similarly, Bond’s love for Vespa in **Casino Royale** carries over as grief into **Quantum of Solace**. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/36 "2017-01-06T19:25:23Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Been a long while since I’ve seen either movie, but from what I remember Mike Douglas and Kathleen Turner are a solid couple at the end of **Romancing the Stone** , then they hate each other by the beginning of **Jewel of the Nile**. At least, the sequel (which was otherwise crummy) addressed the issue that the couple had created a relationship on a basis of romance and adventure…which doesn’t last. And the Douglas/Turner partnership ends with hilarious catastrophy in _The War of the Roses_, which just goes to show that regardless of how good it is, the pâté cannot hold together a marriage. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540/37 "2017-01-08T09:04:33Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Ook. Oook! Barbarian. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-love-that-will-never-die-until-the-sequel/705540.md?page=1)