# "A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 13, 2014, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384 "2014-09-13T13:20:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/81 "2014-09-16T01:51:47Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Well, thanks for your rather lengthy resume. So to try to distill that down into your actual basis for the belief that Rice “thinks it’s all bullshit”, that would be his “probing her thigh with his foot”, I guess. Is there any other basis for your belief? I don’t think facial expression are really discernible in that low resolution video, so I’m not sure how you are observing that he is “frustrated/annoyed”. Could you elaborate, and might you have the timing in the video when this thigh-probing occurs? The thigh nudge occurs at about :57 on this video after he picks up her flip flop. His stance after he lays her on the ground outside the elevator. His posture as he steps away from her (at about the :40 second mark of this video). > **[NFL star Ray Rice drags unconscious fiancee from elevator 'after fight' |...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1084156/NFL-star-Ray-Rice-drags-unconscious-fiancee-elevator-fight.html)** > > The Baltimore Ravens running back was caught on camera dragging Janay Palmer in an Atlantic City casino on Feb 15. Cops say they attacked each other. Keep in mind three things: A) I’m not defending him, B) He’s still clearly angry and frustrated, C) She might indeed be fully unconscious or semi-conscious at this point. I don’t know. I’m stating what I think _his_ mindset was at that moment. He doesn’t seem remorseful, but neither does he seem triumphant. He seems pissed and he blames her. And I think _he_ thinks she’s faking at least some of it. Your mileage may vary. Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![justrob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9adbd/32.png) [@justrob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/justrob)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/82 "2014-09-16T14:21:38Z")
Is it just me or does it look like Rice hits her at 0:25 before she comes at him and then hits her again at 0:28 that puts her down? Watching this version. [Ray Rice Knocked Out Fiancee - FULL VIDEO | TMZ Sports - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/83 "2014-09-16T14:28:18Z")
IMO, a man should never hit a woman except in self-defense, and self-defense is only really necessary if a man does not have a dominant physical advantage over a woman. My physical advantage, at best, is slight over an average woman. I used to arm wrestle women where I worked and won about half the time. So if a woman comes at me, it’s a threat. If I’m Ray Rice though, unless she’s armed, you probably have time to think out how much force you need to use. I wouldn’t deck a 7-year old for hitting me, and that’s pretty much what she is compared to him physically: a child. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/84 "2014-09-16T17:18:33Z")
> [@justrob](#): > > Is it just me or does it look like Rice hits her at 0:25 before she comes at him and then hits her again at 0:28 that puts her down? > > Watching this version. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI) Agreed. At about :06 he spits on her as she passes him in the hallway. At :07, she smacks his shoulder (through his substantial jacket, clearly causing no pain) for spitting on her and moves toward the elevator. This is where she looks ot me like she doesn’t want him to come in after her. Then at :25 he hits her the first time. She doesn’t back down but moves toward him and appears to be yelling. Many people have asserted that she’s slapping him here, I don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/85 "2014-09-17T08:55:13Z")
This episode is a classic example of Americans’ love of moral indignation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384.md?page=4)