# A Melancholy MMP **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** mmp\ **Created:** [July 14, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397 "2008-07-14T04:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/321 "2008-07-17T14:35:20Z")
Everyday is Friday when you’re on summer vacation… 😃 d&r So, the little stinker decides at 8:50 am that she’s actually feeling OK and would like to go to camp. :smack: Rush, rush, rush and I got her there about 30 minutes late. My son is still in bed, pretty sick. ---
**Author:** ![Mindfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindfield/32/19759_2.png) [@Mindfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mindfield)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/322 "2008-07-17T14:37:10Z")
Mornin’. Up. Caffeinated. Praying for a slow day. (Been pretty slow to moderate so far, but then a slow morning usually means an insane afternoon.) Teh Sick is in remission. Still there a bit, but I can breathe and I’m not sniffling or sneezing, so I’m happy about that. I _still_ haven’t answered JesusBoy, and I don’t think I’m going to. I figure that anything I tell him that doesn’t fall in line with his worldview will be seen as an offense anyway, so, though it is in itself rude to do so, I figure letting him sit in limbo will avoid the whole giving offense thing. Mind you, I did crack a bit of a mild religious crack in a recent article (“You thought I was going to make a sacrilegious joke here, didn’t you? Well I’m not. I was smote an hour ago, so I’m spent.”) that may or may not be deemed offensive, so I guess we’ll see if it garners a response. 🙂 Meanwhile, it’s back to work. Bleh. ---
**Author:** ![Tupug\_Anachi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@Tupug\_Anachi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tupug_Anachi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/323 "2008-07-17T14:48:42Z")
Hi, all! Very busy day yesterday and today so appropriate comments all round. **swampy** , I think they made this [Target commercial](http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tnl1K032LW8) just for you! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/324 "2008-07-17T16:04:41Z")
[QUOTE=Noone Special] \*\*Flutter \*\*-- vacations abroad are so cool! It means you tell the people at work to **sod off** for two weeks – no “I know you’re on vacation, but _just a quick question…_” :rolleyes: Dunno about the $'s. Every time I’m sure the USD exchange rates must be hitting rock bottom, they go down **again** (local currency that was worth a $1US 2 years ago, is now worth nearly $1.5) But it could go up just in order to mess with you, if you put off buying them… All in all, I’d say wait until the last minute, though – it’s so much money you still have on you in case of emergency, if nothing else. [/QUOTE] I get to do that anyway cuz I don’t have a crackberry and no one has my number.. so when I leave I leave! But it’ll be nice to have a week of not worrying about it. Dad tells me I need to buy right now (of course this is the guy telling me it takes 6 weeks to get my passport when the official website says two and I was told by end of month at the office..). I’m thinking I might buy some now, put it in my safe deposit box, and the rest can sit in the account until then. That way I do have it and I’m not tempted to spend my vacation money. Back to work, hey my coffee is still warm and its been three hours since I poured it.. ---
**Author:** ![taxi78cab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47c2d/32.png) [@taxi78cab](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taxi78cab)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/325 "2008-07-17T16:25:55Z")
We’re getting thunderboomers here. Which really is good because we need the rain. Mom went home from the hospital yesterday. Thanks again for your thoughts and prayers. She’s not bleeding internally so that’s good but they found a healed-over ulcer so that might have been why/how she was losing blood. So we’re just hoping she stays healthy now. I think they’re doing more tests, but at least she doesn’t have to be in the hospital. Thanks also for the book club suggestions. I’ll see how the next meeting goes and then pass on the ideas to the coordinator. We’re not meeting at people’s houses - we didn’t want to have to worry about the cleaning ahead of time, making food, the differences in people’s ability to make food and the resulting stress over it, and the cleanup afterwards. So we just meet at a restaurant. So no real hostess, but I don’t see why we couldn’t assign a “hostess” who gets to pick the book and the location. But possibly from the library list so we don’t have to spend money. And with an agreed-upon limit for what the restaurant should cost. I’ll float that idea next time. Or maybe I’ll just decide that a book club’s not really for me. I wonder if anyone would be interested in a knitting or a craft club. Mostly I want to get out of the house and do something with people, expand my circle of friends. And I want to get past being superficial friends with people. I have lots of acquaintances, but no (local) really good friends. And it’s hard to become close friends with people if you don’t get together regularly. So that’s really what I’m looking for. Anyway, I finally picked one little grape tomato from my patio plant last night. It was good! And I grew it myself! There are 3 more that are almost ripe and a ton more that are green. We’ll have tomatoes coming out our ears in a couple weeks! And KT installed our new Toto toilet last night. It’s all shiny and new and snazzy. And it’s supposed to be able to flush… well, just about anything we can throw at it! Yay! No more plunging the toilet. We will have to ask anyone who comes to visit to use the downstairs toilet for, um… anything substantial because the upstairs toilets are still the low-flow kind. But at least we have one super effective toilet in the house now. That’s my almost TMI for the week. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/326 "2008-07-17T16:49:43Z")
Sounds like a stutterer’s dream of a thundermug there, **taxi,** “the to-to-TOILET!” Heh heh… **Mork,** I’m feeling your pain about JesusBoy there–a co-worker sent me one of those awful many times forwarded, retardedly overfonted/rainbow texted MISSIVES!!! that irritate me so, this one was especially mean spirited. Imagine the following on a black background, gigantic colorful fonts, many redundant line breaks so the whole thing scrolls down for like a month (I could code it that way but I’ll be damned if I make the effort!): > [@Ignernt Email](#): > > DID YOU KNOW THESE FACTS? > > I SURE DIDN’T TILL NOW > > Death is certain but the Bible speaks about untimely death! > Make a personal reflection about this… > > Very interesting, read until the end… > > It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): > 'Be not deceived; God is not mocked: > for whatsoever a man sow, > that shall he also reap. > > Here are some men and women > > who mocked God : > John Lennon (Singer): > Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said: > > 'Christianity will end, it will disappear. > I do not have to argue about > > that. I am certain. > Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him’ (1966). > > Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times. > > Tancredo Neves (President of Brazil ): > During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. > Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made > > Cazuza (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet): > During A show in Canecio ( Rio de Janeiro ),while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:‘God, that’s for you.’ > > He died at the age of 32 of LUNG CANCER in a horrible manner. > The man who built the Titanic > > After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. > > With an ironic tone he said: > > ‘Not even God can sink it’ > > The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic > Marilyn Monroe (Actress) > She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. > > He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. > After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: > ‘I don’t need your Jesus’. > A week later, she was found dead in her apartment > Bon Scott (Singer) > The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang: > ‘Don’t stop me; I’m going down all the way, down the highway to hell’. > On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit. > Campinas (IN 2005) > In Campinas , Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend… > The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: > ‘My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.’ > She responded: 'Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk, Cause Inside Here…It’s Already Full ’ > Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, > the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact. > The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken > Christine Hewitt (Jamaican Journalist and entertainer) > said the Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written. > In June 2006 she was found burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle. > Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. > Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive. > ‘Jesus’ > > PS: > If it was a joke, you would have sent it to everyone. > So are you going to have courage to send this?. > > I have done my part, Jesus said > > 'If you are embarrassed about me, > > I will also be embarrassed about you before my father.’ > You are my 8 in 8 seconds. I am not breaking this. No way! > > I’M TOLD THIS WORKS!!! Bishop T.D. Jakes ‘8 Second Prayer.’ Just repeat this prayer and see how God moves!! > ‘Lord, I love you and I need you, come into my heart, and bless me, my family, my home, and my friends, in Jesus’ name. Amen.’ > > Pass this message to 8 people {EXCEPT YOU AND ME}.You will receive a miracle tomorrow. I Hope that you don’t ignore and > let God bless you. I usually let this sort of thing slide, but this guy has been sending me a lot of this kind of stuff and it’s to a business email address so I finally broke my usual habit and responded thusly: > [@Pissy SmartAleq](#): > > You DO know I’m an atheist/pagan, right? I do not subscribe to the jebus newsletter, d00d… That crap is almost as lovely as Elisha and the bears (2 Kings 2:23-25)–which is more than enough to turn the stomach of anyone with a sense of rightness and/or decency and/or humanity. I mean, really, if you’re gonna have gods you might at least TRY to make them appear to be somewhat more benevolent/kind/on the ball or at least less homicidally petty than some crazy tight assed prick who’ll shoot someone for looking at him wrong. That shit you sent–best argument against Christianity I’ve seen in a long while. Before you start sending god-squad stuff to people it might be a good idea to find out whether or not they’re on your team, y’know? > > I’m not gonna send this on a “reply all” to everybody on the forward list of this email–this time. However, I do not suffer fools or jackasses or smug self righteous pricks gladly and I’ve been known to spam back so please do think twice before you do this again, 'kay? > > And just for the record, I’m politically progressive, I volunteer for Obama, support a woman’s reproductive rights and pretty much every other cause that gets foaming redneck christian’s panties in a twist so I think it’s safe to say that probably every many-times forwarded urban legend spam mail you get will be something I don’t find amusing, particularly when it’s sent to a business email account. I don’t think it will do much good in the overall scheme of things but at least he did apologize to me for sending it, which is all to the good. The really ironic thing about this guy sending me all this christian glurge is that he said to me, in so many words, that he ain’t getting any at home and he’d be extremely happy if I’d entertain a “friends with benefits” arrangement with him. Shoot, doesn’t Jesus have something to say about adulterers, fornicators, deceivers and liars? Silly me, of course a godless pagan such as myself could never understand the intricacies of the saved, holy and forgiven to be sure. :rolleyes: **Nooner,** promises, promises! 😛 Yargh, I need to get productive or something… ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/327 "2008-07-17T17:13:48Z")
Anybody else following the new release from Joss Wheadon? It’s a new super hero web-based musical that’s impossible to describe, but I;m loving it… Part II was released today. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=473539&page=1&pp=50](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=473539&page=1&pp=50) here’s the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/328 "2008-07-17T17:36:43Z")
I’ll be watching part II tonight from home… I am loving it though, and will totally be buying it when it’s on DVD. (I like Whedon’s stuff though I wouldn’t describe myself as a Whedonite… hell I still haven’t finished Buffy, Angel OR Firefly and I own all of them…) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Blue-Sighted\_Shadow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@The\_Blue-Sighted\_Shadow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Blue-Sighted_Shadow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/329 "2008-07-17T18:29:14Z")
Vroom, screech! :Drive-by, waves: Vroom! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/330 "2008-07-17T18:37:18Z")
**SmartAleq** , I got that too, only I got it from a volunteer at work, so I can’t even correct him. Every day I get at least 2 glurge-y e-mails from him, but I can’t say anything. It makes me grrr. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/331 "2008-07-17T18:44:01Z")
Take off and nuke him from orbit, **Mika,** it’s the only way to be sure! Today coworker apologized in person and I got a chance to pull the “gee, I sure thought you were smarter than that” line on him–plus it gave me a chance to point out that number one on that list, John Lennon, made that comment (which was taken wildly out of context, I might add) in like 1963, then he went on to become one of the richest, most famous and adored musical figures of all time, married his soulmate and had many happy years with her, raised a couple of fine sons and finally died at an assassin’s hand–who says he did it because God told him to. :rolleyes: Hardly the sort of swift and apropos divine justice they were trying to prove there… ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/332 "2008-07-17T19:04:02Z")
Apparently God works in mysterious ways! Really mysterious! Plus none of these people ever think - God is killing them for saying something bad about Christianity, once? What if they came to God after? What if they spent their whole lives being a Christian _de facto_, never acknowledging it? I would be afraid to live in this particular brand of Christianity, honestly. The volunteer I told you about, sends me huge inbox-clogging pics of Jesus Christ (blond and blue eyed!) and all kinds of other such things. Bill Gates really is giving out money, all of us atheists are trying to get prayer banned from EVERYWHERE EVEN IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR HOMES and oh, by the way, anybody anywhere who even so much as implies we are in Iraq for no good reason automatically wants the troops to DIE. … The thing is, in person, he is the nicest guy. Just a big old teddy bear. Le sigh. ---
**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/333 "2008-07-17T20:06:08Z")
**mika** I suggest talking to TPTB about making work email for work related business only. That’s the rule where I work. I get no glurge/stoopid now. YAY!!! **taxi** yay for mom going home. Hope she continues to get better. I’s tahred! I’ve funeralized, served lunch, mowed and gone on a beer run. Wally\*World had it cheaper than my friendly neighborhood liquor sto which is unusual. Plus I got food. **BooFae** I’m a guy. Beer and water are a reason to pee. I don’t need to use tp when I pee. So There! 😛 Oh and I bought a case of tp at Sam’s Club. **Puggy** cute commercial. Too bad I don’t shop at the local Target since I got all poed at ‘em. Speakin’ of which, I did complain to Target corporate about the manager and I got a letter apologizin’ for the bad experience. Of course, as long as said manager is still there I won’t shop there. ETA: Lest **Walls** think I’m dissin’ her employer, I’m not. I’ll shop at Target elsewhere, just not at the local store. Cause they have an idiot manager. ---
**Author:** ![Mahna\_Mahna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Mahna\_Mahna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahna_Mahna)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/334 "2008-07-17T20:07:17Z")
Hi. Argh. BUSY!!! Head hurts. Still hate Excel. Also hate the humidity and heat. Wish it would damn well rain already. Hate VLOOKUP a little bit less, though. That is all. _zoooooooooooooooom_ ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/335 "2008-07-17T20:08:08Z")
[QUOTE=swampbear] **mika** I suggest talking to TPTB about making work email for work related business only. That’s the rule where I work. I get no glurge/stoopid now. YAY!!! [/QUOTE] Actually, we did that, and that stopped _coworkers_ from sending us anything like that. However, we can’t tell volunteers that, they are our donors. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/22080_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/336 "2008-07-17T20:31:55Z")
Got off work on time today, then sat on the bridge for 10-15 minutes waiting for the construction guys to move their crap. Afterwards, I had to run to the store, so I’ve only been home about 20 minutes. And you can go ahead and uncross fingers and such, \*\*FCD \*\* didn’t get his dream job. ☹ I’m sad for him on one hand, but on the other, it would have meant a longer commute than he’s doing now, which would have made for a killer long day. He had a feeling it wasn’t going to happen, and it looks like he was right. Oh well, at least he’s still employed, much as he hates NASA. Glad tomorrow’s finally Firday. My baby will be coming home for 2 nights, bringing at least one of her friends home. Daughter is the one who needs to be worrying about a job. Nary a call on her applications to the schools, and I fear it’s because when she applied, she put down her Florida phone number. She’s now got a Md number, and she called the school board to let them know, but I still wonder. And indoc starts Aug 11 - you’d think someone would have called her for an interview by now… And yet, she doesn’t apply anywhere else… :rolleyes: I need a vacation. But \*\*FCD \*\* has burned up all of his days off, anticipating the new job. Since that isn’t going to happen, neither will the fall vacation I kinda hoped we’d be able to take. I’m so tired of being tired. Honestly, I haven’t had significant time off to just relax in at least 8 years. Driving to Florida to see the inlaws for the holidays doesn’t count. Maybe I’m just sad. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![taxi78cab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47c2d/32.png) [@taxi78cab](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taxi78cab)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/337 "2008-07-17T20:48:34Z")
I just hit delete on forwards without reading them. There are only 2 people who send them to me now, and I just ignore them. It’s not worth getting upset over. To me anyway. Thunderboomers went away and now it’s sunny out. Looks like a nice afternoon. I really don’t have much that I have to do… I wish I could just go out to play. But, while we’re not clock-watchers here, leaving more than an hour early for no reason wouldn’t go over all that well. Oh well. I’ll try to sneak out 15 min early. I’m taking tomorrow off. Yay for sleeping in and having some time to relax! ---
**Author:** ![Taters](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/taters/32/2845_2.png) [@Taters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taters)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/338 "2008-07-17T20:49:21Z")
Aw damn, **FCM.** Hugs to you; I hate to see you blue. I’m sorry that **FCD** didn’t get his dream job, but maybe that means something better is coming his way. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/339 "2008-07-17T21:08:11Z")
{ **FCM** } Maybe you could take a day or two for yourself? Sorry you’re blue… ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397/340 "2008-07-17T22:08:26Z")
**LiLi** , you say Nat’s crawling now? [Time to use that to your advantage.](http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=223083&in_page_id=2) In other news, CFI thinks that I’ve just used two months of my student loan payback grace period. I’m seriously going to shoot every single soulless husk that inhabits the financial aid offices. I will have my money and I will have those two months credited back to me. :mad: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-melancholy-mmp/456397.md?page=18)