# A message to all atheists, unbelievers, and lukewarm christians **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 25, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164 "2013-08-25T23:56:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/261 "2013-08-31T23:24:58Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > God says that Himself in the bible. Everyone who accepts jesus as their savior and repents for their sins shall have eternal life. No man comes to the Father but through Jesus. Go look it up, I’m not God I’m simply repeating His words. So it doesn’t bother you that someone can do evil in this world but still go to heaven because they accept Christ as their savior? ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/262 "2013-08-31T23:26:57Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > God says that Himself in the bible. Everyone who accepts jesus as their savior and repents for their sins shall have eternal life. No man comes to the Father but through Jesus. Go look it up, I’m not God I’m simply repeating His words. Well, that is one group’s interpretation. Can you explain why this interpretation is to be favoured over the Jewish interpretation of the events of 2000 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/263 "2013-09-01T00:05:38Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > God says that Himself in the bible. Everyone who accepts jesus as their savior and repents for their sins shall have eternal life. No man comes to the Father but through Jesus. Go look it up, I’m not God I’m simply repeating His words. And how do you know those are your god’s words? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/264 "2013-09-01T00:26:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how do you know those are your god’s words? Well, I think because he told Mohammed, blessed be his name, that the New Testament was holy too. So there must be some truthyness to it. Guess He realised the New Testament was rather vague though, so he wrote yet another book. This time dictating it himself. And it’s the definite final version. The Koran says so itself; Mohammed is the last prophet. So unless he decides to publish a new book, actually handwritten by Him, I guess we should go with the final version and all convert to Islam. Just to be safe, you know, when you face Allah when you die. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/265 "2013-09-01T00:38:09Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Well, I think because he told Mohammed, blessed be his name, that the New Testament was holy too. So there must be some truthyness to it. > > Guess He realised the New Testament was rather vague though, so he wrote yet another book. This time dictating it himself. And it’s the definite final version. > The Koran says so itself; Mohammed is the last prophet. > > So unless he decides to publish a new book, actually handwritten by Him, I guess we should go with the final version and all convert to Islam. > Just to be safe, you know, when you face Allah when you die. Joseph Smith would like to have a word with you. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/266 "2013-09-01T00:43:01Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > Joseph Smith would like to have a word with you. He talks to you too?!?! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/267 "2013-09-01T00:48:26Z")
> [@For You](#): > > There is enough vaporous mythology in this thread as it is, you want us to believe that an S&L actually exists? Well, _not any more_, obviously. Jesus shot em all up with his gat. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/268 "2013-09-01T01:19:42Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > Joseph Smith would like to have a word with you. If it needed to get any weirder… I know people who include J.R.R. Tolkien’s Elbereth in their religious rituals and invocations. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/269 "2013-09-01T01:41:45Z")
I thought he did already come back, visited some Native Americans, and left some golden tablets or something for the Mormons. Then he like, beat up Santa Claus in a boxing ring or something. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/270 "2013-09-01T01:48:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how do you know those are your god’s words? Red ink? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/271 "2013-09-01T01:54:06Z")
Meh, all this will be resolved by the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief … All hail the Great Green Arkleseziure A-Choo! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/272 "2013-09-01T03:03:28Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Meh, all this will be resolved by the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief … > > All hail the Great Green Arkleseziure > > A-Choo! Mehh, the Great White Handkerchief is only the harbinger of His Noodliness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And he’s handy for wiping up the tomato sauce that the FSM tends to drip all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/273 "2013-09-01T05:10:52Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > You mean there’s a alot about God I don’t know about it and that’s fine. It wouldn’t be “walking in faith” if I knew everything. Walking in faith is great code for not thinking for yourself or being rational. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/274 "2013-09-01T06:26:54Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > They’re not. Now we’re getting somewhere. The Jews are not right. Who else is not right? Buddhists? Islamists? Hindus? Sikhs? Jainists? Neo-Pagans? Scientologists? Rastafarians? Don’t you have to know a little about each religion, to know whether they’re right or wrong? And what about Christians? There are many sects of Christianity that contradict other sects. Is there only one true flavor of Christianity, and all the other are wrong? How do you know you picked the right one? And if there’s a heaven, what if only atheists are admitted? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/275 "2013-09-01T08:38:36Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > You mean there’s a alot about God I don’t know about it and that’s fine. It wouldn’t be “walking in faith” if I knew everything. No, there’s a lot about your _religion_ you don’t know. You don’t think it’s important to know what happens to people who never hear about Jesus? Do you think you are a good witness if someone asks you about that and you don’t have the slightest clue? Having faith doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn the basics of your theology. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/276 "2013-09-01T12:16:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how do you know those are your god’s words? One can only believe that it is God’s words, It in fact can be proven it was the writings or teachings of some other human. You believe the human who wrote that it was God, There is a big difference between belief and fact! When one quotes the Bible or any writing it is the work and words of another human. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/277 "2013-09-01T13:28:30Z")
Hey jesusguy- I have a serious question. Is this the most frustrating bunch of smartass heathens you’ve ever interacted with? For an interesting discussion of miracles, see [this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=679714&highlight=minor+miracle) ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/278 "2013-09-02T04:16:48Z")
So **jesusguy** I’m still waiting on an answer to this: > [@Princhester](#): > > Sorry but you really haven’t explained it at all. Why was he the perfect sacrifice? What is it about being without sin that made Jesus a perfect sacrifice? Why was it part of God’s plan? What was the reasoning and why was that good reasoning? > > If you were a child who knew nothing about cars and you asked me exactly why putting gas in a car made it go and my answer was “because it’s the perfect fuel” or “because that is the car manufacturer’s plan” would you think that a useful answer? Would you feel satisfied or would you feel like I’d blown you off? Would you, if you were a somewhat sceptical kid, perhaps think that, actually, I didn’t really know why putting gas in a car made it go? > > A better answer (and the type of answer I’m looking for from you) would be that putting gas in the car makes it go because the gas travels down fuel lines to the engine, where it’s burned in cylinders which creates pressure that drives pistons which turn a crankshaft which turns the driveshaft which drives the wheels around. And if you asked me for more detail on any aspect, I’d give it to you the best of my ability. That’s the standard of answer I’m looking for from you. > > So, could you try answering my questions to that standard? How’s my answer coming along? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/279 "2013-09-02T04:51:04Z")
Just to put the OP at ease, know that I am already perfect, and there’s nothing that could be improved. So much so that I expect the Big Man will want to use me as a consultant. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/280 "2013-09-02T05:16:04Z")
> [@jesusguy](#): > > If they haven’t been informed then I don’t know what to say about that. But you guys have been informed so now you know. You don’t have an excuse when you stand before God as soon as you die. Would we have been better off if we had never been informed at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164.md?page=15)