# A message to all atheists, unbelievers, and lukewarm christians

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [August 25, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164 "2013-08-25T23:56:45Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/321 "2013-09-10T00:47:07Z")

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> [@monavis](#):
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> There are many verse’s that state coming as a thief in the night, but think about it and you will note it says\<“The day of the Lord”, meaning the end of the world which Jesus is quoted as saying would happen in that generation. Plus, he is also quoted as saying he would return in his father’s glory with his angels, **while some of them were still alive**! It apparently didn’t happen if it had it would surely have been written by some one and recorded!

Maybe some are still alive? Doesn’t the bible mention lifespans of hundreds of years for some of its characters? (Or am I thinking of that other great work of fiction, Harry Potter?)

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/322 "2013-09-10T01:21:06Z")

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> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> Maybe some are still alive? Doesn’t the bible mention lifespans of hundreds of years for some of its characters? (Or am I thinking of that other great work of fiction, Harry Potter?)

[The Wandering Jew](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wandering_Jew) is sometimes used for that bit of theological rationalization.

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**Author:** ![10000000GMK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/10000000gmk/32/7305_2.png) [@10000000GMK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/10000000GMK)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/323 "2013-09-10T07:11:58Z")

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> [@monavis](#):
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> There are many verse’s that state coming as a thief in the night, but think about it and you will note it says\<“The day of the Lord”, meaning the end of the world which Jesus is quoted as saying would happen in that generation. Plus, he is also quoted as saying he would return in his father’s glory with his angels, while some of them were still alive! It apparently didn’t happen if it had it would surely have been written by some one and recorded!

So, if Jesus/God.whoever comes back like a thief in the night to effect the end of the the world and, say, Superman decides it’s his job to defend the world against whatever bad stuff God has planned - who’d win that fight? Could Superman defend the Earth against the Judgement of the Lord?

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**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/324 "2013-09-10T09:06:34Z")

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> [@10000000GMK](#):
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> So, if Jesus/God.whoever comes back like a thief in the night to effect the end of the the world and, say, Superman decides it’s his job to defend the world against whatever bad stuff God has planned - who’d win that fight? Could Superman defend the Earth against the Judgement of the Lord?

Presumably the Man of Steel is more powerful than an [Iron Chariot](http://biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm).

Advantage: Last Son of Krypton.

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**Author:** ![thebumknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/57b2e6/32.png) [@thebumknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thebumknight)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/325 "2013-09-10T11:15:58Z")

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> [@monavis](#):
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> God didn’t say or write anything, you believe in another human not God! Since you can’t prove the Bible is the Word Of God, there is no point in claiming it is!

I read/heard he did — with a flaming finger on a mountain wall (old-school SMS!!) and an extra serving of a burning bush somewhere. Why can’t he be as flashy now as he is then? We also have to take Moses’ word for it since he was the only witness which was written some thousands of years ago by different people.

That should be taken as fact/truth, else non-believers will burn in the fiery depths of hell, or frozen, or maimed… or whatever is popular in your area code.

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**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/326 "2013-09-10T11:24:25Z")

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> [@10000000GMK](#):
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> So, if Jesus/God.whoever comes back like a thief in the night to effect the end of the the world and, say, Superman decides it’s his job to defend the world against whatever bad stuff God has planned - who’d win that fight? Could Superman defend the Earth against the Judgement of the Lord?

Superman is known to have a severe weakness against Magick. I presume God-Magick (ie “miracles”) are inculded.

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**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/327 "2013-09-10T12:15:47Z")

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> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> Maybe some are still alive? Doesn’t the bible mention lifespans of hundreds of years for some of its characters? (Or am I thinking of that other great work of fiction, Harry Potter?)

I think 900 years was the Maximum. :o)

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**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/328 "2013-09-10T12:19:15Z")

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> [@thebumknight](#):
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> I read/heard he did — with a flaming finger on a mountain wall (old-school SMS!!) and an extra serving of a burning bush somewhere. Why can’t he be as flashy now as he is then? We also have to take Moses’ word for it since he was the only witness which was written some thousands of years ago by different people.
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> That should be taken as fact/truth, else non-believers will burn in the fiery depths of hell, or frozen, or maimed… or whatever is popular in your area code.

It is just that Moses cannot be proven to have been a historical person, and no one knows who wrote a lot of the early scriptures, most think it was by several people who passed on the stories from one generation to the next.

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/329 "2013-09-10T12:21:04Z")

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> [@10000000GMK](#):
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> So, if Jesus/God.whoever comes back like a thief in the night to effect the end of the the world and, say, Superman decides it’s his job to defend the world against whatever bad stuff God has planned - who’d win that fight? Could Superman defend the Earth against the Judgement of the Lord?

It depends on what version of Superman. Silver Age Superman would just defeat Jesus with his never-before-mentioned “Super-Anti-Jesus power”. He was kind of like Adam West Batman that way (Adam West Batman in the same position would of course just pull some Jesus Repellent Batspray from his utility belt).

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**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/330 "2013-09-10T12:21:20Z")

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> [@DrFidelius](#):
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> Superman is known to have a severe weakness against Magick. I presume God-Magick (ie “miracles”) are inculded.

If Jesus as quoted correctly then the world would not be here now, And Jesus would have returned in God’s Glory with his angels!

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**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/331 "2013-09-10T12:54:21Z")

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> [@monavis](#):
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> If Jesus as quoted correctly then the world would not be here now, And Jesus would have returned in God’s Glory with his angels!

So, it’s not Superman vs Jesus, but Superman vs Jesus and an army of angels? Might need to call in the entire Justice League.

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**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/332 "2013-09-10T13:25:06Z")

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Sounds like the Caped Crusader needs help from [Battle Pope!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Pope)

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**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/333 "2013-09-10T13:28:02Z")

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> [@Lobohan](#):
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> Presumably the Man of Steel is more powerful than an [Iron Chariot](http://biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm).

If God couldn’t easily win a wrestling match, he’s definitely not likely to take out an iron chariot.

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/334 "2013-09-10T13:30:35Z")

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Q: “What’s the difference between God and Godzilla?”

A: " Godzilla can handle iron chariots."

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**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/335 "2013-09-10T14:01:08Z")

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> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> He was kind of like Adam West Batman that way (Adam West Batman in the same position would of course just pull some Jesus Repellent Batspray from his utility belt).

Batman had AXE spray?

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/336 "2013-09-10T14:06:05Z")

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> [@Cyros](#):
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> Batman had AXE spray?

He had _everything._

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**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/337 "2013-09-10T14:34:48Z")

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> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> He had _everything._

Only if he was prepared - there was atleast one time he did not have any bat shark repellant.

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**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/338 "2013-09-10T14:36:59Z")

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> [@monavis](#):
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> I think 900 years was the Maximum. :o)

No - his name was **Methuselah** , Maximus was a gladiator.

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**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/339 "2013-09-10T14:43:10Z")

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> [@simster](#):
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> No - his name was **Methuselah** , Maximus was a gladiator.

Didn’t Naughtius Maximus fight against Biggus Dickus?

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**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-all-atheists-unbelievers-and-lukewarm-christians/667164/340 "2013-09-10T14:49:08Z")

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> [@DrFidelius](#):
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> Didn’t Naughtius Maximus fight against Biggus Dickus?

Who are you calling \* Big Nose\* !??!!:mad:

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