# A message to Kirkland1244 from a lying sack of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 23, 2002, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313 "2002-11-23T05:16:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/41 "2002-11-23T20:40:14Z")
So discussion hurts people. I see. Whatever makes sense to you in your little world, **Kirk**. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/42 "2002-11-23T20:47:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Looks like there’s been a major exodus. Good. Hardly a major exodus. The ones who have most recently “left forever” are basically the ones who never really mattered anyway. Anyway… What is your proposed solution, **Kirk**? How do you suggest fixing the problems you’ve listed above? Specifically, the ones regarding Texas law? -David ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/43 "2002-11-23T20:56:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kirkland1244 \* > \*\*Oh fucking Christ, this canard again. Listen, bitch, when you wake up one day and realize that your inane interpretation of the Bible is just as worthless as a continental, maybe you’ll make some progress towards actually becoming human. Until then, I’m done with you. You’re not worth the effort. > > Kirk \*\* Does your relgion advocate calling people b---- and using the word f------in relation to Christ? I still don’t understand why people who disagree can’t talk without all the name calling and foul language. I’m sorry for you, **Kirkland** , and hope you’ll feel better someday. If, in order for you to feel better, everyone must agree with everything you say, fraid you’re in for a long wait. And as many have asked me, I’ll ask you: what makes you think your interpetation of the Bible is any more valid than mine?😕 I’m praying for you and don’t have the animosity toward you that you appear to have for me. ---
**Author:** ![Linear\_Crack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Linear\_Crack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linear_Crack)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/44 "2002-11-23T21:50:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Calling all fundamentalist Christians evil and vile and anything else you can come up with doesn’t make it so. I’m consantly amazed at some of the things coming out of your mouth (keyboard)… \*\* Ignorant Irony. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* I still don’t understand why people who disagree can’t talk without all the name calling and foul language. \*\* It’s the Pit. Deal with it, or exit stage left…or wait, you already left. Nope your back…umm you left again…err wait you’re here again… I wonder what could be bringing you back here. Could it be… … … SATA… Nah…I don’t even think HE could deal with your bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/45 "2002-11-23T22:14:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*So discussion hurts people. I see. > \*\* When the discussions, as you call them, begin with and in practice are just forums for bigotted, evil lies, then yes, they do hurt people. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/46 "2002-11-23T22:16:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SoulFrost \* > Anyway… > > What is your proposed solution, **Kirk**? > > How do you suggest fixing the problems you’ve listed above? Specifically, the ones regarding Texas law? There’s no hope on that front. My personal solution will be to move the fuck out of Texas as soon as humanly possible, and out of the United States if need be. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/47 "2002-11-23T22:20:31Z")
Well, I can’t argue there. Soon as I can get out of this state, I’m headed for Tampa. Drop by for a drink sometime, and let me know that you escaped alive… -David ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/48 "2002-11-23T22:22:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*what makes you think your interpetation of the Bible is any more valid than mine?😕 \*\* I suspect it’s cause most of the other people tend to have internally consistent views. As in: “I believe in God, I believe the Bible was written to help guide us, but literal interpretations and adherence of each and every single verse will result in actions that I believe a good and just God would abhor (as in acceptance of slavery for instance) or seem to be obvious measures to protect people in times of no refrigeration but are not necessary now (as in prohibition of shellfish, pork or other dietary laws), there fore I’ll accept the main teachings of the church to love and not judge my fellow humans and to therefore serve him in that way”. vs. “I believe in God, believe the Bible is specifically the WORD of God and cannot be questioned and must be adhered to in a literal basis (except stuff I don’t like, like the whole slavery thing and not being allowed to eat shellfish”. see? If you insist that only specific verses must be literally and completely obeyed, while ignoring others, you’re not being consistent and therefore, we’re suspecting that your interpretation of how the BIble should be used is flawed, since you seem to pick and choose only select verses to obey. that’s my take on it anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/49 "2002-11-23T22:25:48Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originall posted by Kirkland1244_ > I can’t be a public school teacher in some places. I can’t marry, anywhere. I can’t inherit property from my “partner,” shoudl I ever have one, without estate taxes. Same with being guaranteed to be able to visit said person in a hospital. I cannot be a Boy Scout leader, even though I’m an Eagle Scout. I cannot serve in the Navy. Or Army. Or Air Force. I can be arrested for having sex, in my own apartment, with a consenting adult. > > I am – and everyone else like me is – a second-class sub-citizen. And thanks to the efforts of the Southern Baptist Convention and their allies, including people who defend them – namely, people like you – that is unlikely to change for a long, long time. Where does the Bible say that homosexuals shouldn’t be able to be public school teachers, inherit property, visit their partners in a hospital or serve in the Boy Scouts or the military? Those are just things people have added, but for what reason? I don’t know. The Southern Baptist Convention isn’t just a big political monolith. It’s exceedingly rare to hear anyone speak of homosexuality in a Southern Baptist environment. It’s not the main focus of their efforts. The issue of homosexuality isn’t an important issue in the daily lives of Southern Baptists. A few people at the top of the SBC talk about it, but on a day-to-day basis, almost nobody mentions homosexuality. > [@](#): > > Anyone who would listen to that beast for spiritaul guidance should be forceably sterilized. Falwell is one of the worst men in all of America. Anyone who gives him a voice, or gives his opinion credence is a collaborator with one of the must petulent and monstrous bigots we have encrusting our public life today. For all that he says politically, it’s pretty difficult to discern what he has to say about spiritual matters. I rarely, if ever, agree with his political stances, but does that discredit every single word that could come to his mouth? > [@](#): > > thank you so much, for whatever services or monies you provided to the SBC. Take heart in knowing you helped fund their campaign against me and every other innocent, slandered, scarred and broken gay person out there. Thank you so very fucking much. I suspect that a much larger portion of my funds went towards spreading the word of Jesus and telling people about salvation. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Polycarp_ > Lel, I think you might need to examine what it is that Kirk is and is not saying. He is justifiably angry at one subset of religious conservatives – those who abuse and degrade him for his sexuality and/or his Catholicism. I’m quite confident that he (particularly if he realized who you were) would not include you in that subset. Except in the heat of anger, when we all tend to generalize and regret it later, he is not mad at everybody who happens to have a given theological view, just at those who use it to his hurt. > > So either let it roll off your back or espouse the last Beatitude for yourself, depending on how you see the issue at hand. I can understand that **Kirk** is angry at a specific set of religious conservatives, and that may not include myself. The part that disturbs me so much is that many of my family, friends, people that I worship with, co-workers and more do happen to hold to those beliefs, and seeing the anger towards a majority of the people I know can be painful. There’s many people that I know who believe that the Bible says that homosexuality is sinful yet love people just as they are. In a way, the Southern Baptist denomination has been a significant part of my life, and while I don’t necessarily agree with all the stances of those in higher positions and have recently taken to attending a non-denominational church, it still means something to me, but it’s not my place to worry about what others think of this. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by His4ever_ > What’s there to understand, Kirkland? It matters not one whit what we think or want about religion or sexual orientation. What matters is what God has to say about it. So you don’t agree with things that other people truly believe from their study of God’s word. Does that give you the leeway to spue venomous name calling and cuss words constanty? The Bible isn’t too favorable towards homosexuality. But just because that’s what God’s word says doesn’t mean that you necessarily have to like it, merely that it is to be followed. I don’t like all of God’s teachings, and being a sinner, I sure don’t follow them all. Then again, worrying about the sexual orientation of others isn’t nearly as fruitful as spreading the gospel. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/50 "2002-11-23T22:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kirkland1244_ > When the discussions, as you call them, begin with and in practice are just forums for bigotted, evil lies, then yes, they do hurt people. So, when the discussions are about incapacitating fundamentalists, that hurts people too? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/51 "2002-11-23T22:36:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Does your relgion advocate calling people b---- and using the word f------in relation to Christ? > > I still don’t understand why people who disagree can’t talk without all the name calling and foul language. > > I’m sorry for you, **Kirkland** , and hope you’ll feel better someday. If, in order for you to feel better, everyone must agree with everything you say, fraid you’re in for a long wait. > > And as many have asked me, I’ll ask you: what makes you think your interpetation of the Bible is any more valid than mine?😕 I’m praying for you and don’t have the animosity toward you that you appear to have for me. \*\* And many of us pray you get a clue and cease being so narrow minded. You **are not** the mouth piece for Jesus or the Christian God. You do behave as if you are. And supposedly there is only one interpretation of the Bible: **YOURS**. You seem to think that all Christians should follow as you say, otherwise you have to pray for them. To many of us, you come off as a sanctimonious, smug, self-satisfied bigot who hides behind her vile interpretation of a holy book. It’s your Hell, _you_ roast in it. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/52 "2002-11-23T22:37:17Z")
From what Kirk has said on this board, I think he acknowledges that he no longer speaks for Christianity. Kirk, please correct me if I’m wrong. Otherwise I’d be in complete agreement with H4E about the name-calling. I’d like to say I appreciate the scholarship Kirk brings to this board on the subject of Catholicism. I too, of course, wish he would moderate his speech. However, I feel your pain, Kirk, and I’m in pain (to a lesser degree) for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/53 "2002-11-23T22:38:40Z")
Oh for crying out loud. You know, if **Kirk** , the Catholic church which you keep defending isn’t exactly charitable towards homosexuality as well. So quit being a jackass. Being gay doesn’t excuse you from being a jerk. Nor does it give you the right to be a self-righteous fuckstick. ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/54 "2002-11-23T22:40:49Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s your Hell, you roast in it. Now there’s a sig line, if ever I saw one. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/55 "2002-11-23T22:42:13Z")
Good sigline-- better bumpersticker! I’m getting one printed! -David ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/56 "2002-11-23T22:42:36Z")
Well, I pray for everyone. I pray that everyone will be happy and well. And I pray that ignorance will one day be vanquished. That’s probably a pipe dream… ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/57 "2002-11-23T22:42:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*I suspect it’s cause most of the other people tend to have internally consistent views. > > As in: “I believe in God, I believe the Bible was written to help guide us, but literal interpretations and adherence of each and every single verse will result in actions that I believe a good and just God would abhor (as in acceptance of slavery for instance) or seem to be obvious measures to protect people in times of no refrigeration but are not necessary now (as in prohibition of shellfish, pork or other dietary laws), there fore I’ll accept the main teachings of the church to love and not judge my fellow humans and to therefore serve him in that way”. > > vs. > > “I believe in God, believe the Bible is specifically the WORD of God and cannot be questioned and must be adhered to in a literal basis (except stuff I don’t like, like the whole slavery thing and not being allowed to eat shellfish”. > > see? > > If you insist that only specific verses must be literally and completely obeyed, while ignoring others, you’re not being consistent and therefore, we’re suspecting that your interpretation of how the BIble should be used is flawed, since you seem to pick and choose only select verses to obey. > > that’s my take on it anyhow. \*\* Even more than that for me is the sheer thickness of some of this. The Bible is a work of man, with parts written after hundreds of years of oral tradition, with four specific and discrete sources. The Old Testament was not written to prove Yahweh exists but to show the actions of Yahweh through history. Any claims to the contrary are based on completely misunderstanding that the Bible is a historical and literary work as well as a religious one. Pop quiz, His4Ever: Look at 1 Chronicles 21:1 and 2 Samuel 24:1. They descibe the same thing, but one says Yahweh is the reason for the census, and the other says Satan is. When you can tell me why there’s a difference, I’ll be more willing to listen to your selected quoting of Scripture. I’ve taken a religion class and I’m not afraid to use it! ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/58 "2002-11-23T22:59:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Well, I pray for everyone. I pray that everyone will be happy and well. > > And I pray that ignorance will one day be vanquished. > > That’s probably a pipe dream… \*\* Probably it is, **Guin** , but if you sincerely pray for those things, _you_ will be a better person for it, and enjoy life more. At least I found that to be true for myself. Now I just gotta find the wherewithall to keep praying for good things to happen for all those people I resent. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2002, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/59 "2002-11-23T23:34:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Qadgop the Mercotan \* > \*\*Probably it is, **Guin** , but if you sincerely pray for those things, _you_ will be a better person for it, and enjoy life more. > > At least I found that to be true for myself. Now I just gotta find the wherewithall to keep praying for good things to happen for all those people I resent. \*\* My motto: An Irish Prayer May those who love us, love us; and those who don’t love us, may God turn their hearts; and if He doesn’t turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles so we’ll know them by their limping. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313/60 "2002-11-24T01:24:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Thanks. Your condescension is appreciated. You’re welcome, but with all due respect, when I’m being condescending towards you, I’ll let you know. This was not an instance of such. You said, essentially, that you do not have the ability to forgive someone. To me, that is a tragedy. Now, you can either wallow in self-pity over this tragedy, or you can be a reasonable, rational human being, pull yourself together, and move on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-message-to-kirkland1244-from-a-lying-sack-of-shit/138313.md?page=4)