# A new 419 scammer, a new reply tactic **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 13, 2007, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728 "2007-03-13T09:53:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2007, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/61 "2007-03-22T08:58:23Z")
Well… Mrs Johnson’s originating IP looks up as: > [@](#): > > organisation: ORG-NTL1-AFRINIC > org-name: Nigerian Telecommunications Ltd. > org-type: LIR > country: NG > address: Nigerian Telecommunications Ltd. > Internet Services Unit > Plot 251 > cadestral zone A0 > Herbert macauley Way > Central Business District > Abuja > Nigeria I’m shocked, SHOCKED! I tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2007, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/62 "2007-03-22T09:05:16Z")
And of course Patrick Adams is not only using the same ISP, but the same IP address. Earlier on, I wondered if I was dealing with one scammer or a couple of them - looks like just one at the moment. This is further supported by Patrick’s claim that Mange and Dastardly are emailing him every day - they’re not - they’re emailing _Mrs Johnson_ every day. I might try emailing Mrs Johnson at Patrick’s email address and see if I can trick the scammer into replying in the wrong persona. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2007, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/63 "2007-03-22T16:46:08Z")
I’m assuming that you know about [www.419eater.com](http://www.419eater.com) If not, then you are showing talent 🙂 Next step is the ASEM (Accidentally Sent EMail ) which looks like you are in the final stages of negotiation with someone else - it gets them salivating. I gave up on this a few years ago, it got me too annoyed, but I reckon I got a few of the b/ggers lined up to send me humans for research. Their callous greed makes me shiver. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/64 "2007-03-22T17:16:05Z")
Exactly so, **Rick** , that is indeed the phone number for the White House switchboard. I expect that they’d have some pretty good tracers on all incoming calls. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2007, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/65 "2007-03-22T22:54:39Z")
Well, Patrick came back with this: > [@](#): > > Hello Mr. Wilton, > > Be informed that I have attached 2 pictures of Mrs. Grace Johnson. These > pictures where taken some years back. I believe with these pictures you will > be able to know who she is. > > I also want you to know that I spoke to the security company regarding you > as the beneficiary to Mrs. Grace Johnson�s fund. Once I hear from you, will > furnish you with the full contact details of the security company so that > you will contact the manager directly. > > That will be all for now, I look forward to hearing from you soonest. > > Regards, > > Patrick The pictures look like [this](http://www.gurman.co.uk/stuff/her.jpg) and [this](http://www.gurman.co.uk/stuff/pic.jpg) (Does anyone recognise the woman in the photo?) He also sent this to Dick Dastardly: > [@](#): > > Dear Richard Dastardly, > > Sorry for my late response, its due to the fact that Mrs. Grace has not > instructed me on what to do until she gets better enough. > > Once she has every thing in place, she will get in touch with you but > as for > the moment i am a very busy man as i will be traveling to Israel and > will > not be able to check my emails but when i return i will get back to > you. > > Please stay put and i will get back to you once every thing is settled. > > Regards, > > Adams -Which is interesting - he’s trying to keep dastardly on the back burner so he can come back and scam him as well, later. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/66 "2007-03-23T08:49:20Z")
This might be interesting: Ecks has changed his plans and now wants to meet Patrick urgently: > [@](#): > > Hello Patrick > > Thank you very much for the photographs - it means a great deal to me to be able to see the face of my benefactor and to think on her charitable generosity. > > To business though: as luck would have it, my work schedule has been rearranged and I am travelling down to London today. Can we meet in person to deal with the necessary paperwork and documentation? I will be in London by midday and I have the rest of the day free - I would be happy either to visit your office or to meet you somewhere else such as a quiet pub, hotel or restaurant. > > That may be a little short notice for you though, in which case perhaps we could meet on Monday or Tuesday afternoon or evening? I am in London until Wednesday lunchtime. > I hope we can conclude the paperwork by that time, as I am then out of the country for approximately a week - two days in Lagos, one day in Calabar, a day each in Johannesburg and Durban, then off to the Netherlands - a day each in Rotterdam and Utrecht, before returning finally to London for a week. > > Please contact me as soon as you read this message - I hope we can meet up today. > > Bye for now > Wilton Ecks Of course Ecks is not actually going to London, because _I_’m not going to London, and anyway, the scammer isn’t in London, he’s in Nigeria. What a coincidence then, that Ecks (who innocently thinks Patrick is in London) just happens to be travelling to Nigeria as part of next week’s itinerary! What will Patrick do next? ---
**Author:** ![scareyfaerie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scareyfaerie/32/3135_2.png) [@scareyfaerie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scareyfaerie)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/67 "2007-03-23T09:28:40Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] Does anyone recognise the woman in the photo? [/QUOTE] They’re not particularly good quality photos, but she looks not unlike Benazir Bhutto. Google Images comes up with this, which isn’t too far off the fictitious Mrs Johnson! [Who is this?](http://www.un.org/UN50/UNHQ-Photos/50th-31.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/68 "2007-03-23T09:37:04Z")
Thanks for that - there is quite a resemblance. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/69 "2007-03-23T12:42:56Z")
Interesting development: > [@](#): > > Dear Wilton Ecks, > > I am in receipt of your mail. I have given you chances to enable us build a > solid foundation in this project. You have also given me condition about > this project. Moreover you are a very busy man. I will not be greedy because > this project is all about commitment and confidentiality. We have also > called the name of God in order for him to give us guidelines to enable this > project a successful one. I am not being paid for this project because I am > doing this base on the relationship I have built with the family. > > This project involves a huge amount of money and time should be devoted to > it. I have asked you to provide me a telephone number I can use in reaching > you. Or kindly call me upon receipt of this message. > > There is no way I can meet you in London because I am on a very important > case; a murder case for that matter! I need time myself but due to Mrs. > Grace�s dream and condition I would have asked her to hire another attorney > but I love her and her ideas that is why I am taking this bold decision too. > > The funds are with a security company here in London. You have to apply to > enable the security company recognize you as the beneficiary who she > contacted to claim the given sum for the project. > > Since I have this urgent case at hand, I have instructed my assistant to > meet you when you get to London. He will be the person to secure all the > legal documents you need. It is very important we secure the documents > because the security company will need to verify if they are valid and > correct by the verification department. I am pretty sure they will still > demand for this documents. > > My telephone number is [snip] or [snipped] > If I don�t hear from you, I will suggest you are not willing to assist Mrs. > Grace Johnson. I hope to hear from you > > Barrister Patrick Adams So he has a buddy in London. I’m not going to phone him though, so I think we’ve probably taken this one about as far as it can go. I’ll decide for definite later on, but I think I might just tell him that I know he’s a scammer working out of Nigeria. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/70 "2007-03-23T12:51:42Z")
We’ll just try this though: > [@](#): > > Hello Patrick > > No Problem. I am in my room at the Watford Hilton now. Where do I need to go to meet your assistant? > > Bye for now > Wilton Ecks ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/71 "2007-03-23T13:35:33Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] Thanks for that - there is quite a resemblance. [/QUOTE] I would have said Michael Jackson. Have I mentioned that you are the wind beneath my wings? My best to Richard, and all the little Dastardlys. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tofergregg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tofergregg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofergregg)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/72 "2007-03-23T13:50:41Z")
I bet there’s a doper in London willing to meet. Maybe a constable… ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/73 "2007-03-23T13:59:26Z")
[QUOTE=tofergregg] I bet there’s a doper in London willing to meet. Maybe a constable… [/QUOTE] We’d have to find one that looks like Prince Andrew, since I used his picture on my fake ID. ---
**Author:** ![scareyfaerie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scareyfaerie/32/3135_2.png) [@scareyfaerie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scareyfaerie)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/74 "2007-03-23T14:08:01Z")
Just ask Prince Andrew if he wouldn’t mind popping along, I don’t suppose he’s got anything more pressing. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/75 "2007-03-23T16:27:30Z")
Oh! we’re nearly there! > [@](#): > > Dear Wilton Ecks, > > Thanks for your swift response, i have spoken to my assistance and he is > willing to meet with you. All i need you to do is to send me the telephone > number of the hotel and the room number so he can call you and tell you to > meet him. > > That will be all for now, I look forward to hearing from you soonest. > > Regards, > > Patrick > [@](#): > > Hello Patrick > > Not a problem. The telephone number of the Watford Hilton is 01923 235881. I am staying in room 419. > > I greatly look forward to speaking with your assistant. > > Bye for now > Wilton Ecks Room 419. Tee hee. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/76 "2007-03-23T16:29:38Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] Oh! we’re nearly there! Room 419. Tee hee. [/QUOTE] Is the number legit? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/77 "2007-03-23T17:00:57Z")
Make sure you get a first-generation copy of the Divine guidelines he referred to (post #69, para. 1 from the scammer). Excellent scambaiting so far! I’ll give you full credit if you get a photo of the scammer, bonus points if he’s doing something silly. ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/78 "2007-03-23T17:08:38Z")
Forgive my ignorance of the English legal system, but don’t solicitors handle pretty much civil matters, documents and such? This person says he’s involved in a murder case. Isn’t that for a barrister? Again, I’m an American, and only marginally aware of the British system. But I suspect this Nigerian is as well. ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/79 "2007-03-23T17:15:15Z")
**Mangetout** , you, and through you _we_, have been having so much fun with this clown, I’ll be sorry to see this end. But it looks as if it’s winding down. Any chance he really has a confederate in London that you can set up to meet with the authorities? I would love to read about this in the paper under the headline DOPER DOES IN NIGERIAN SCAMMER IN BRILLIANT E-COUP. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728/80 "2007-03-23T17:21:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Well… Mrs Johnson’s originating IP looks up as: Just a slight Hijack, but how do I get this information (The IP header from an incoming email)? I’m usinf Outlook Express 6.0 Can anyone help? \>\>\>Just LOVE this thread - get a video of this meeting, PLEASE !!! 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-419-scammer-a-new-reply-tactic/395728.md?page=5)