# A new breakfast delight
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [January 8, 2016, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484 "2016-01-08T11:25:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 17
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/41 "2016-01-15T01:09:21Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> Except the Egg McMuffin is nothing like a bacon and egg sandwich. Not even the Bacon and Egg McMuffin is.
In the same sense that the OP’s sandwich is nothing like an Egg McMuffin, correct.
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### Author:  [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/42 "2016-01-15T03:55:45Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> Except the Egg McMuffin is nothing like a bacon and egg sandwich. Not even the Bacon and Egg McMuffin is. It always seemed to me that the Egg McMuffin was basically a riff on eggs Benedict, kind of the way that the Big Mac is a riff on a real hamburger. It has, loosely speaking, ingredients from the same universe: an English muffin, a slice of ham, an egg (fried instead of poached, and not runny, but still, an egg) and instead of being slapped on a plate and topped with hollandaise it’s topped with a slice of plastic cheese and put in a box.
The defining characteristic of eggs Benedict is the hollandaise sauce. Totally different from a meat, egg and cheese breakfast sandwich. “Plastic” cheese is an imitation of real cheese, not a substitute for hollandaise sauce.
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### Author:  [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/43 "2016-01-15T04:15:55Z")
So, if I take a fluffy white bun with sesame seeds, fry a patty of ground round, add a slice of cheddar cheese, a piece of lettuce, and some ketchup and mustard and you have what most people would call a “cheeseburger.”
But if I take a ciabatta bun (more dense), and grill a bison patty, add some smoked Gouda, a slice of avocado, some Sriracha and Mayo… and you are telling me that this is no longer a “cheeseburger?”
Not a single ingredient the same… but similar. Similar enough to be considered a variation of the first.
All that said, I’ll probably give the OP’s version a try. There are a couple of places I can get crumpets here, and I just happen to have a bunch of freshly grated Parmesan.
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### Author:  [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/44 "2016-01-15T04:21:09Z")
> [@Spud](#):
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> So, if I take a fluffy white bun with sesame seeds, fry a patty of ground round, add a slice of cheddar cheese, a piece of lettuce, and some ketchup and mustard and you have what most people would call a “cheeseburger.”
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> But if I take a ciabatta bun (more dense), and grill a bison patty, add some smoked Gouda, a slice of avocado, some Sriracha and Mayo… and you are telling me that this is no longer a “cheeseburger?”
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> Not a single ingredient the same… but similar. Similar enough to be considered a variation of the first.
Nope. Completely unlike, and not a variation of, a McDonald’s cheeseburger.
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### Author:  [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/45 "2016-01-15T04:31:04Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#):
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> Nope. Completely unlike, and not a variation of, a McDonald’s cheeseburger.
Bun, meat, cheese, condiments.
Bun, meat, cheese, condiments.
Bun, meat, cheese, condiments.
Yup… all completely different.
I feel like I’m arguing with a wall.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [January 15, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/46 "2016-01-15T04:41:34Z")
> [@keturah](#):
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> The defining characteristic of eggs Benedict is the hollandaise sauce. Totally different from a meat, egg and cheese breakfast sandwich. “Plastic” cheese is an imitation of real cheese, not a substitute for hollandaise sauce.
Lest I be shamefully misunderstood, let it be known that I was in no way – no way! – suggesting that an Egg McMuffin was in any way anything even remotely resembling eggs Benedict! Hence my preface that they had “loosely speaking, ingredients from the same universe”! I was just suggesting that McD’s looked at eggs Benedict and came up with a breakfast sandwich junk-food variant influenced by that recipe.
But I’m not snooty about this stuff. It may be light-years from eggs Benedict, but a McMuffin (bacon and egg in particular, IMHO) with one of the times that McD’s produces good coffee (and they often do) is not a bad breakfast\*.
\*ETA: As opposed to the crap they produce the rest of the day, which really is putrid!
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### Author:  [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/47 "2016-01-16T06:34:41Z")
> [@PlainJain](#):
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> Scrambled egg (just egg & butter) on crumpets, with a grind of pepper and a dusting of parmesan. And bacon. With a thin slice of tomato on top.
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> Nom.
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> 😉
for a truly decadent yum, I suggest adding a bit of lettuce (iceburg is my preference) on a toasted bagel. mayo too if you really want a decadently fat sandwich
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### Author:  [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2016, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/48 "2016-01-16T06:55:57Z")
> [@guestchaz](#):
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> for a truly decadent yum, I suggest adding a bit of lettuce (iceburg is my preference) on a toasted bagel. mayo too if you really want a decadently fat sandwich
Ick! Mayo is decadent? Not even close. And iceberg lettuce? You must be joking! It doesn’t even taste like anything.
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### Author:  [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/49 "2016-01-18T06:25:07Z")
mayo _is_ decadent on a sandwich such as this, all that extra fat! and the iceburg lettuce is optional, could be any lettuce you prefer, the main point of the lettuce is to add a non-fat, non-savory flavor and texture element that doesn’t compete so much as compliments the egg and bacon or whatever meat you decide to use. That is why iceburg lettuce is good for this, it isn’t as strongly a flavored leaf and has a better crunch than say Greenleaf lettuce. Unless you are one of those who are more sensitive to the bitter undertone of green vegetables, then I can easily understand how that would be unappealing.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/50 "2016-01-18T07:22:10Z")
> [@Quartz](#):
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> Scrambled egg (just egg & butter) on crumpets, with a grind of pepper and a dusting of parmesan. And bacon.
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> Nom.
Drop the bacon, scramble some smoked salmon (or even better, trout) in with that egg, and add just a touch of lemon zest rather than parmesan.
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### Author:  [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/51 "2016-01-18T15:31:54Z")
And a little bit of arugula (rocket for the Brits).
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### Author:  [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/52 "2016-01-18T15:53:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Drop the bacon, scramble some smoked salmon (or even better, trout) in with that egg, and add just a touch of lemon zest rather than parmesan.
That’s my brother’s favourite, though without the crumpets.
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### Author:  [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2016, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/53 "2016-01-21T13:21:21Z")
> [@Spud](#):
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> So, if I take a fluffy white bun with sesame seeds, fry a patty of ground round, add a slice of cheddar cheese, a piece of lettuce, and some ketchup and mustard and you have what most people would call a “cheeseburger.”
>
> But if I take a ciabatta bun (more dense), and grill a bison patty, add some smoked Gouda, a slice of avocado, some Sriracha and Mayo… and you are telling me that this is no longer a “cheeseburger?”
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> Not a single ingredient the same… but similar. Similar enough to be considered a variation of the first.
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> All that said, I’ll probably give the OP’s version a try. There are a couple of places I can get crumpets here, and I just happen to have a bunch of freshly grated Parmesan.
I completely agree with everything you have said and I want to know where in the US one can buy crumpets. I see you are in Indiana and I am in Texas but still…where to get crumpets? I want to see how like/unlike they are to English muffins. And I want that smoked gouda bison burger NOW.
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### Author:  [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/54 "2016-01-21T15:18:04Z")
> [@Spud](#):
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> But if I take a ciabatta bun (more dense), and grill a bison patty, add some smoked Gouda, a slice of avocado, some Sriracha and Mayo…
That sounds rather nice.
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### Author:  [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/55 "2016-01-22T04:03:42Z")
> [@AllShookDown](#):
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> [Cupcakes](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jhmYWNEW-Y8/maxresdefault.jpg) are just miniature cakes made with the same batter you’d make a full-sized cake with, with frosting. Almost always baked in a cupcake paper inside a cupcake/muffin pan.
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> American muffins are somewhat cakelike but I think of them as being more dense and I’ve never seen a frosted one but there’s probably one out there. More like a quickbread in a muffin shape than cake. I’d say they’re (usually) not as sweet as cake, but they’ve been getting sweeter over the years.
A lot of what we call muffins are called seed cakes in the UK and in Australia. They just bake it in a cake form instead of a muffin form. It’s similar to banana bread or pumpkin bread.
I do agree there is a difference between muffins (and seed cake) and cake. The batter tends to be denser and more buttery in a muffin.
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### Author:  [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)
#### Post date: [January 22, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/56 "2016-01-22T04:05:44Z")
A lot of different names for similar or the same items is just due to regionalism. Just keep it tasty no matter what you call it.
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### Author:  [@stui\_magpie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stui_magpie)
#### Post date: [January 27, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-breakfast-delight/742484/57 "2016-01-27T02:22:43Z")
I love a nice bit of crumpet.
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