# A New "Feud" Game For Folks Who DON'T Follow the Herd

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [August 7, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130 "2008-08-07T04:01:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/41 "2008-08-07T23:38:59Z")

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[QUOTE=astorian]  
But I have a feeling that SCORING this dang game will be its own punishment.  
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I **know** it will. 😉  
Thanks for doing the work, all the same.

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**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/42 "2008-08-07T23:42:12Z")

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1. John Jay
2. Seattle Slew
3. William Faulkner
4. shoveling the Aegean stables
5. 
6. Iowa
7. Taft
8. Manasseh
9. Saskatchewan
10. Neil Armstrong

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**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\
**Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/43 "2008-08-07T23:45:39Z")

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[QUOTE=astorian]  
I apologize for stepping on your toes.

But I have a feeling that SCORING this dang game will be its own punishment.  
[/QUOTE]  
No prob (eerie though). I forgot to add a 😛

This was way hard but good practice – and fun!

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**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/44 "2008-08-08T00:28:55Z")

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1. Salmon P. Chase
2. Omaha
3. Isaac Singer
4. The Stymphalian Birds
5. Gene Hackman
6. Purdue
7. Chester A. Arthur
8. Gad
9. Prince Edward Island  
10.Harrison Schmitt

Thanks **astorian**! This one’s a hoot to play.

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**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/45 "2008-08-08T01:29:40Z")

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1. John Rutledge
2. Sir Barton
3. Pearl Buck
4. Capturing the Cretan Bull
5. Jack Lemmon
6. Purdue
7. Chester Arthur
8. Gad
9. Prince Edward Island
10. James Irwin

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**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/46 "2008-08-08T01:59:22Z")

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1. Berger…mmm, Berger (thank you Homer Simpson)
2. Mr Ed
3. O’Neill
4. Cleaning the shit out of the giant stable
5. Denzel Washington
6. Notre Dame
7. Taft
8. Levi
9. Ontario
10. Aldrin

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**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/47 "2008-08-08T02:08:07Z")

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1. Roger Taney
2. Citation
3. Sinclair Lewis
4. Cleaning the stables
5. ?
6. Penn State
7. James Garfield
8. Asher
9. British Columbia
10. Edgar D. Mitchell  
even the google didn’t help me with #5

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/48 "2008-08-08T02:10:34Z")

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[QUOTE=astorian]  
I apologize for stepping on your toes.

[/QUOTE]

Great minds think alike! 😉

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**Author:** ![Ducktail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@Ducktail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ducktail)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/49 "2008-08-08T07:59:13Z")

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1. John Jay
2. Secretariat
3. Ernest Hemingway
4. Killing the Nemean Lion
5. Jack Nicholson
6. University of Wisconsin
7. Garfield
8. Levi
9. Quebec
10. Neil Armstrong

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**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/50 "2008-08-08T11:51:56Z")

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I really like the idea of an anti-Feud, but I don’t know enough about most of these topics. I hope you do another one some time.

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/51 "2008-08-08T12:03:12Z")

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[QUOTE=Gala Matrix Fire]  
I really like the idea of an anti-Feud, but I don’t know enough about most of these topics. I hope you do another one some time.  
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There’s one in my Feud queue scheduled for next weekend.

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**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/52 "2008-08-08T12:10:42Z")

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1. Morrison Waite
2. Citation
3. John Steinbeck
4. Labor Four, Erymanthian Boar
5. Meryl Streep
6. Illinois
7. Rutherford B. Hayes
8. Gad
9. Alberta
10. Buzz Aldrin

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**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/53 "2008-08-08T12:14:32Z")

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The only answer of mine that I thought was clever was Buzz Aldrin, splitting the difference between the people who’d pick from the most obscure names on the list and those who’d pick the super-obvious answer (Armstrong). Looking over the results, a few other people seem to have had the same idea, but the obscure names got at least as many hits, so I think I did ok.

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**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\
**Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/54 "2008-08-08T23:21:54Z")

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1. Sandra Day O’Connor
2. Seattle Slew
3. Isaac Bashevis Singer
4. The Cretin Bulls
5. Gene Hackman
6. Michigan State
7. Grant
8. Reuven
9. Winnipeg
10. Alan Shepard  
#8 - that IS an acceptable spelling of the name, more frequently spelled Reuben

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**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/55 "2008-08-09T00:01:59Z")

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So how many of you sang thru the lyrics of “Jacob and Sons” to get an answer to 8?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/56 "2008-08-09T02:43:04Z")

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[QUOTE=anyrose]  
So how many of you sang thru the lyrics of “Jacob and Sons” to get an answer to 8?  
[/QUOTE]

I did, when I was writing the game! (“Reuben was the eldest of the children of Israel, with Simeon and Levi the next in line. Napthali with Issachar, then Asher and Dan, Zebulon and Gad brought the total to nine…”)

We didn’t get 50 players, but time is up now.I’ll post scores as soon as they’re available.

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/57 "2008-08-09T03:42:19Z")

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ANSWERS GIVEN:

CHIEF JUSTICES:

100 points:

Oliver Ellsworth 1  
John Marshall 1  
William Rehnquist 1  
Harlan Stone 1  
Edward White 1  
Frederick Vinson 1

50 points:

Salmon P. Chase 2  
John Rutledge 2  
Morrison Waite 2  
Earl Warren 2  
Warren Burger 3  
Melville Fuller 3  
John Jay 4  
John Roberts 4  
Roger B. Taney 5

25 points:

William Howard Taft 6

Wrong Answers (-100) 2

Nobody guessed: Charles Evans Hughes or William Cushing  
TRIPLE CROWN:

50 points:

Affirmed 2  
Citation 3  
Gallant Fox 3  
War Admiral 3  
Whirlaway 3  
Assault 3  
Count Fleet 4  
Omaha 4  
Seattle Slew 4  
Sir Barton 4  
Secretariat 5

No answer (0 points) 1

Wrong Answer (-100) 2  
AMERICAN NOBEL-WINNING AUTHORS

I said I’d be generous, up to a point, in my definition of “American.” By that, I meant I’d accept T.S. Eliot (born in the U.S., though thought of as British), as well as Saul Bellow, Joseph Brodsky, Czeslaw Milosz and Isaac Bashevis Singer (all of whom were born elsewhere but lived and worked for many years in the U.S.).

Rudyard Kipling lived in Vermont for several years, but I can’t accept him as an American. And Asturias, I’m afraid, is too blatant an effort to get by on a technicality.

100 points

Joseph Brodsky 1  
T.S. Eliot 1  
50 points

William Faulkner 2  
Ernest Hemingway 2  
Isaac Bashevis Singer 3  
Sinclair Lewis 4  
Eugene O’Neill 4  
Saul Bellow 4  
Toni Morrison 5  
Pearl Buck 5  
John Steinbeck 5

Wrong Answer that I won’t penalize 1  
(Asturias won’t get any points, but I won’t penalize an attempt at cleverness)

Wrong Answers (-100) 4  
LABORS OF HERCULES

100 points

Ceryneian Hind 1  
50 points

Apples of the Hesperides 2  
Erymanthian Boar 2  
Girdle of Hippolyta 2  
Mares of Diomedes 2  
Nemean Lion 2  
Cerberus 3  
Stymphalian Birds 3  
Cretan Bull 5  
Hydra 5

5 points

Augean Stables 13  
Wrong Answer (-100) 1  
Nobody guessed: Capturing Geryon’s Cattle

OSCAR WINNER IN LEAD & SUPPORTING ROLES

50 points:  
Robert DeNiro 2  
Helen Hayes 2  
Kevin Spacey 2  
Denzel Washington 3  
Jack Lemmon 3  
Ingrid Bergman 3  
Gene Hackman 3  
Jessica Lange 4  
Maggie Smith 4  
Jack Nicholson 4  
Meryl Streep 5

Wrong Answers (-100) 3  
BIG TEN COLLEGES

100 points

Ohio State 1

(Sometimes the most obvious answer is a winner!)

50 points

Illinois 2  
Iowa 2  
Michigan 2  
Michigan State 2  
Northwestern 2  
Indiana 3  
Purdue 4  
Minnesota 5  
Penn State 5

25 points

Wisconsin 9

Wrong Answers (-100) 3  
PRESIDENTS WITH FACIAL HAIR

I DID specify a beard or mustache, so muttonchops and sideburns don’t count!

100 points

Benjamin Harrison 1  
Teddy Roosevelt 1

50 points

Ulysses S. Grant 3  
James Garfield 4  
Grover Cleveland 5  
Rutherford B. Hayes 5  
William Howard Taft 5

25 points

Abraham Lincoln 7  
Chester Alan Arthur 7  
Wrong Answers (-100) 2  
TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL

100 points

Issachar 1

50 points

Benjamin 3  
Napthali 3  
Reuben 3  
Asher 4  
Joseph/Menasseh 4   
Judah 4  
Dan 5

25 points

Levi 6  
Gad 7

Wrong Answers (-100) 1

Nobody guessed: Zebulon or Simeon  
PROVINCES OF CANADA  
50 points

Newfoundland 2  
Quebec 2  
Saskatchewan 2  
British Columbia 3  
Manitoba 3  
Nova Scotia 3  
Alberta 4  
Prince Edward Island 5  
25 points

New Brunswick 7  
Ontario 7  
ASTRONAUTS WHO WALKED ON MOON

100 points

Pete Conrad 1  
Alan Shepard 1  
50 points

Alan Bean 2  
Gene Cernan 2  
Charles Duke 2  
Edgar Mitchell 2  
David Scott 2  
John Young 2  
Buzz Aldrin 4  
James Irwin 5

25 points

Harrison Schmitt 6

5 points

Neil Armstrong 11

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/58 "2008-08-09T04:52:07Z")

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**And the winner is…**

HoopyFrood, who came up with not one but TWO unique answers

hoopy frood 575  
Biotop 525  
rachelchristine 505  
delphica 500  
Pravnik 500  
Bryan Ekers 500  
Sternvogel 500  
KGS 480  
TerminusEst 475  
Dolores Reborn 475  
VarlosZ 475  
Grumman 455  
Bibliophage 450  
GaryGnu 450  
5-4-Fighting 450  
Spoons 430  
Zsofia 425  
SwampBear 425  
CMKELLER 410  
Justin Credible 410  
Zebra 405  
Tarragon918 405  
KayElCee 405  
ZamboniRacer 405  
ducktail 405  
NDP 400  
sigmagirl 400  
Little Nemo 400  
Governor Quinn 400  
Elendil’s heir 380  
scarlett67 380  
42fish 380  
OtakuLoki 380  
THingFish 360  
5 time champ 305  
Gonzomax 255  
anyrose 250  
Cunctator 180  
Fusoya 150  
Omniscient 130  
AHunter3 -1000

AHunter3 was masterful at coming up with creatively wrong answers- if only those powers could be turned away from the Dark Side, who knows what that brain could accomplish?

Thanks for playing- hope it was fun. And rest assured, after 90 minutes of score tabulations, I will NOT be volunteering to do this again any time soon!

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**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/59 "2008-08-09T05:03:00Z")

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Arrgh! So close…

I just knew I shoulda gone with the cattle…

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**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-feud-game-for-folks-who-dont-follow-the-herd/459130/60 "2008-08-09T05:42:54Z")

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[QUOTE=anyrose]  
So how many of you sang thru the lyrics of “Jacob and Sons” to get an answer to 8?  
[/QUOTE]

You got me. 😃  
Thank you, **Astorian** for a fun game!

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