# "A new high school will have ... places to hide from a mass shooter"

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**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [August 23, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-high-school-will-have-places-to-hide-from-a-mass-shooter/839114 "2019-08-23T16:13:14Z")\
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**Author:** ![CelticKnot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/celticknot/32/3392_2.png) [@CelticKnot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CelticKnot)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-high-school-will-have-places-to-hide-from-a-mass-shooter/839114/81 "2019-08-26T00:35:55Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Chicago’s gun control efforts have largely failed. This should have been incredibly predictable, because anyone in Chicago who wants a gun that’s not legal in Chicago can still go outside of Chicago and very easily acquire them.
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> By contrast, Australia has largely succeeded in its gun control efforts. Unlike Chicago, there’s no place that’s easy to get to that Australians who want illegal guns can go to get them.

People who have no respect for laws will find a way to get guns.  
NM No logic can be used on true believers.

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**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-high-school-will-have-places-to-hide-from-a-mass-shooter/839114/82 "2019-08-26T00:38:31Z")

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> [@CelticKnot](#):
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> People who have no respect for laws will find a way to get guns.  
> NM No logic can be used on true believers.

You aren’t using logic, your making baseless assertions based of what you assume to be intuitive.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-high-school-will-have-places-to-hide-from-a-mass-shooter/839114/83 "2019-08-26T00:53:43Z")

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> [@CelticKnot](#):
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> People who have no respect for laws will find a way to get guns.
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> NM No logic can be used on true believers.

Australia has successfully made it a lot more difficult for criminals to acquire certain types of guns, and guns in general. Their gun crime rates went down considerably after their gun control efforts, IIRC. It’s a matter of faith to say that gun control never works. Hell, it’s even been (occasionally) effective in the US - fully automatic weapons are actually pretty rare, and difficult to get for criminals. The legal restrictions placed on full auto weapons in the US have generally been effective.

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