# A new low for the terrorists **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269 "2017-05-23T11:23:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/21 "2017-05-23T15:30:10Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Targeting children at an Ariane Grande concert in Manchester, England.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/manchester-terror-attack-ariana-grande-suicide-bomber-children-theresa-may/) > > Great idea. I’m sure that will advance their cause, whatever the fuck it is, no end. If their goal is to spread terror then mission accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/22 "2017-05-23T16:04:26Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > 16 children (and a teacher) were shot and killed at Dunblane in 1996, and Timothy McVeigh was responsible for the death of 19 children in the Federal Building daycare center in Oklahoma City. People crazy enough to commit mass murder rarely care how old their victims are. [underline added] Or maybe they intend to kill children. ---
**Author:** ![femmejean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/0ea827/32.png) [@femmejean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/femmejean)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/23 "2017-05-23T16:18:52Z")
I suppose they’ll justify it because shes Ariana Grande. to be honest, I’d actually feel bad if it was Sting or Simon Le Bon however I don’t believe Ariana or her fans ‘deserved’ it more. I still feel quite bad. Though I refuse to condemn the attack as ‘cowardly’ since that’ll give them more power. Do you think an attack against governments is more justified provided it’s not towards civilians? (inb4 someone says that government workers are innocent civilians…not necessarily in my opinion) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/24 "2017-05-23T16:32:25Z")
> [@femmejean](#): > > Do you think an attack against governments is more justified provided it’s not towards civilians? (inb4 someone says that government workers are innocent civilians…not necessarily in my opinion) It has long been held that the military and government that you are opposed to are fair targets. Civilians not so much. Of course the “rules” for this are always malleable with a gigantic gray area. In the end both sides are able to rationalize their position. You kinda have to be able to rationalize it before you blow up a bunch of kids unless you are a literal psychopath. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/25 "2017-05-23T16:36:17Z")
> [@femmejean](#): > > I suppose they’ll justify it because shes Ariana Grande. Why would that justify it (in their minds)? I never heard of Ms. Grande before last night, is there some reason ISIS would have a particular reason to target her concert? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/26 "2017-05-23T16:41:21Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Why would that justify it (in their minds)? I never heard of Ms. Grande before last night, is there some reason ISIS would have a particular reason to target her concert? I doubt Grande is the target. Her concert is just a convenient gathering of people to target. Could have been Taylor Swift or Adele or anyone really. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/27 "2017-05-23T17:59:50Z")
> [@femmejean](#): > > I suppose they’ll justify it because shes Ariana Grande. So not terrorists, just overzealous music critics? WTF are you ever talking about…??? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/28 "2017-05-23T18:29:35Z")
> [@femmejean](#): > > inb4 someone says that government workers are innocent civilians…not necessarily in my opinion WTF? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/29 "2017-05-23T18:57:34Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I remember hearing jokes about [Christa McAuliffe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_McAuliffe) right after the Challenger exploded. So do I, but that’s probably because I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/30 "2017-05-23T19:06:45Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > It’s far from the first time children have been attacked by terrorists. The OP’s memory is insultingly short. Oklahoma City comes to mind… > [@XT](#): > > ISIS is claiming one of their ‘soldiers’ (which is code for some guy in a foreign country who pledged themselves to ISIS but why they never heard of until the attack and who ISIS probably thinks is a dip shit) did the deed, though there doesn’t seem to be much evidence except their claim. I would say rushing to judgment is never wise…we will probably know all the details in a few days. DAESH would claim credit for a snow storm, if someone died in it. Maybe this was them, but their piggybacking on every malcontent and homicidal asshole whom comes along is lame and sick. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/31 "2017-05-23T19:43:39Z")
Alex Jones thinks the victims deserved it. > **[Alex Jones Calls Manchester Victims 'Liberal Trendies'](https://www.newsweek.com/infowars-alex-jones-calls-manchester-victims-liberal-trendies-promote-open-614177)** > > Alex Jones on the Manchester Arena attack that left 22 people dead: "A big bomb goes off at a pop star's rock concert bombing a bunch of liberal trendies." ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/32 "2017-05-23T19:54:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Alex Jones thinks the victims deserved it. > [Infowars' Alex Jones Calls Manchester Victims 'Liberal Trendies' Who Promote Open Borders - Newsweek](http://www.newsweek.com/infowars-alex-jones-calls-manchester-victims-liberal-trendies-promote-open-614177) I missed the part where he said they deserve it. Will you point it out for me? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/33 "2017-05-23T20:15:49Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I remember hearing jokes about [Christa McAuliffe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_McAuliffe) right after the Challenger exploded. You probably remember it because it also caused outrage. Or do you remember other previously unknown people that long ago who were being joked about ? ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/34 "2017-05-23T20:16:49Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I missed the part where he said they deserve it. Will you point it out for me? > Thanks! He’s saying that the people who were attacked / killed were most likely those who would support open borders, and bringing in as many refugees as possible, regardless of vetting. And, since the attacker’s parents were refugees, they (in some weird roundabout way) brought on this (and subsequent) attack(s) themselves. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/35 "2017-05-23T20:34:09Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > He’s saying that the people who were attacked / killed were most likely those who would support open borders, and bringing in as many refugees as possible, regardless of vetting. > > And, since the attacker’s parents were refugees, they (in some weird roundabout way) brought on this (and subsequent) attack(s) themselves. Kind of the same thing “preachers” (Robertson and Falwell) said following the 9/11 attack. It’s always the same damn thing, from the same damn rightwing nutjob animals. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/36 "2017-05-23T22:54:06Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Targeting children at an Ariane Grande concert in Manchester, England.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/manchester-terror-attack-ariana-grande-suicide-bomber-children-theresa-may/) > > Great idea. I’m sure that will advance their cause, whatever the fuck it is, no end. I’d put the boot in again to Islamic terrorism but we mustn’t be hasty. It could well turn out to be terrorists backing Independence for Scotland or Free Wales Now or the ruthless Cut Taxes or Die movement. We should never rush to judgment, right? > > Ah fuck whoever did it and fuck their stupid goals and fuck whatever god or prophet they think is urging them on to this. Better to live on your knees, you pathetic bastards, than kill one innocent child. Your people are oppressed? They’ll be a lot more oppressed now, you ignorant arseholes. Good work. They’re not trying to protest oppression, or call attention to a cause they feel is just. They’re trying to do their part in advancing the narrative that the planet does not have enough room to house (what they see as) ISLAM and Western culture. Therefore, EVERY Muslim must fight the “infidel.” But, since most Muslims get along fine with “infidels,” that’s not going to happen, unless they (DAESH) can persuade us infidels that Muslims can’t be gotten along with. Unfortunately, there is a highly vocal minority among us infidels that is only too happy to make common cause with DAESH in advancing THAT notion. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/37 "2017-05-24T00:07:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I doubt Grande is the target. Her concert is just a convenient gathering of people to target. Could have been Taylor Swift or Adele or anyone really. But if this was motivated by Islamist ideology, are there specific elements that might have influenced the choice of target? Was the notion of a crowd of predominantly young women acting “immodestly” or “inappropriately” a factor? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/38 "2017-05-24T00:24:27Z")
Was all, Grande seems to have more younger fans, as she started on Nickelodeon. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/39 "2017-05-24T01:20:51Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > But if this was motivated by Islamist ideology, are there specific elements that might have influenced the choice of target? Was the notion of a crowd of predominantly young women acting “immodestly” or “inappropriately” a factor? Nah, if it was that, we’d be looking for a group like Boko Haram (although they tend to target fellow Muslims). Pretty sure I got it right in post 36. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/40 "2017-05-24T03:59:33Z")
Isn’t the goal of ISIS to drag the west into an endless civil war in the middle east, bankrupting them? If so, this would probably help with that. Making people enraged until they declare war on you fits into their plan. But the world seems to have learned from Iraq not to engage in a large scale land invasion. The WoT seems to be best fought with aiding local anti-ISIS groups, special forces, drones, etc. rather than trillion dollar invasions. If the UK and NATO wants to step up strikes on ISIS, have at it. Just don’t get involved in a land war in the middle east. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269.md?page=3)