# A new low for the terrorists **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269 "2017-05-23T11:23:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/41 "2017-05-24T04:18:49Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > It’s far from the first time children have been attacked by terrorists. The OP’s memory is insultingly short. I came here specifically to say that this was a major aspect of the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy McVeigh deliberately parked his truck where it did so it would destroy the day care center. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/42 "2017-05-24T12:39:31Z")
> [@](#): > > guy in the UK really knows much about oppression in any case. But, yeah, the end result of this will probably be yet more retaliatory attacks. Of course, that’s what groups like ISIS desperately want, so it’s kind of a vicious cycle. yes it is the objective of the DAESH cult to provoke separation and to provoke the final battle. > [@Riemann](#): > > But if this was motivated by Islamist ideology, are there specific elements that might have influenced the choice of target? Was the notion of a crowd of predominantly young women acting “immodestly” or “inappropriately” a factor? Not Islamist, it is the ideology of the Takfiri salafism, and beyond this the even worse form of it that is the nihilistic end of times cult that is DAESH. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/43 "2017-05-24T13:47:31Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > It could well turn out to be terrorists backing Independence for Scotland or Free Wales Now or the ruthless Cut Taxes or Die movement. We should never rush to judgment, right? There were several [Welsh terrorist groups](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudiad_Amddiffyn_Cymru), and even [Scottish ones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Liberation_Army) - and of course the vast majority of terrorist attacks on British soil were committed by the IRA and its auxiliaries. Otherwise, I’m on board with this pitting. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/44 "2017-05-24T14:06:28Z")
[QUOTE=Wesley Clark] Isn’t the goal of ISIS to drag the west into an endless civil war in the middle east, bankrupting them? [/QUOTE] From what I’ve read, their goal, such as it is, would be to drag the US into a war in specific areas of the middle east to bring about the apocalypse. > [@](#): > > If the UK and NATO wants to step up strikes on ISIS, have at it. Just don’t get involved in a land war in the middle east. To paraphrase Dr. Egon, And ISIS wasn’t alone, they had close to 30,000 thousand followers when things were kicking. They conducted rituals in Syria and Iraq. Bizarre rituals, intended to bring the US and The West into a vast war in the region that would bring about the _end of the world_, and now it looks like it might actually happen… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/45 "2017-05-24T14:31:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Was all, Grande seems to have more younger fans, as she started on Nickelodeon. Not sure what happened there. That was supposed to say “All I can think of is that Grande seems to have more younger fans, as she started on Nickelodeon.” The only other thing I even remember about her is her licking some donuts in a shop and whining about American decadence, saying “I hate America.” Well, that and she does some nice impressions on Fallon. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/46 "2017-05-24T14:41:33Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Not sure what happened there. That was supposed to say “All I can think of is that Grande seems to have more younger fans, as she started on Nickelodeon.” > > The only other thing I even remember about her is her licking some donuts in a shop and whining about American decadence, saying “I hate America.” > > Well, that and she does some nice impressions on Fallon. And on [SNL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfz0v7fYLE). ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/47 "2017-05-24T15:54:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > When it comes to anything about Islam, you’re an outright fuckwit. I’d be interested to see you show me one post of mine in which I’ve expressed a prejudice towards Muslims other than terrorists. If you cannot, and you won’t be able to find one, then I’m afraid that the fuckwit is you, despite your admirable staff reports. I’ll be waiting and if you do turn up one that fits the bill I’ll offer you my profuse apologies and promise to be a better human being in future. And I actually mean that. I would be mortified to find that I’d ever posted anything against non-terrorist followers of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/48 "2017-05-24T19:39:24Z")
> [@femmejean](#): > > I suppose they’ll justify it because shes Ariana Grande. Do you permanently live in middle school? Do you think ISIS terrorists listen to Spotify all day and decide to suicide bomb artists they don’t like? > [@](#): > > to be honest, I’d actually feel bad if it was Sting or Simon Le Bon Nice to know ISIS spared your retro 80’s New Wave sensibilities. > [@](#): > > however I don’t believe Ariana or her fans ‘deserved’ it more. I still feel quite bad. Though I refuse to condemn the attack as ‘cowardly’ since that’ll give them more power. Just wondering, do you put white-out on the screen when you make a typo? You are such a vacuous air-headed fucktard, it’s like you do this on purpose. > [@](#): > > Do you think an attack against governments is more justified provided it’s not towards civilians? (inb4 someone says that government workers are innocent civilians…not necessarily in my opinion) Gosh, what government workers \*do \*you believe deserve suicide bombing? Census takers? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/49 "2017-05-24T20:46:29Z")
> [@femmejean](#): > > I suppose they’ll justify it because shes Ariana Grande. > > to be honest, I’d actually feel bad if it was Sting or Simon Le Bon however I don’t believe Ariana or her fans ‘deserved’ it more. I still feel quite bad. Though I refuse to condemn the attack as ‘cowardly’ since that’ll give them more power. > > Do you think an attack against governments is more justified provided it’s not towards civilians? (inb4 someone says that government workers are innocent civilians…not necessarily in my opinion) This is the Pit. Shut up troll. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/50 "2017-05-24T23:20:24Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > This is the Pit. > > Shut up troll. Killing a bunch of innocent people for your political or religious belief is an evil, asshole thing to do, but blowing yourself up, or flying an airplane into a building isn’t cowardly. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/51 "2017-05-25T00:44:57Z")
I don’t mean to minimize this heinous act, but the coverage of it does make me think about how Trump’s claims that terrorism doesn’t get enough coverage in the media is exactly 100% the opposite of reality. Part of me would like to see a newscast open with: “22 people were killed in Britain today in a terrorist act…and meanwhile, about 4 times as many died in the U.S. in motor vehicle accidents today.” Of course, the difference is that the terrorist acts don’t happen every day whereas the motor vehicle carnage does. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/52 "2017-05-25T02:08:22Z")
Vehicle carnage? You think every day is a Mad Max film? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/53 "2017-05-25T02:09:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Killing a bunch of innocent people for your political or religious belief is an evil, asshole thing to do, but blowing yourself up, or flying an airplane into a building isn’t cowardly. Who said that? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/54 "2017-05-25T02:13:36Z")
Oh, Jesus. The fucking conspiracy nuts are out about Manchester being a false flag operation. > **[Was the Manchester Terror Attack a 'False Flag'?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/manchester-attack-false-flag/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)** > > A viral conspiracy video has emerged spreading a false rumor that a suicide bombing attack at an Ariana Grande concert was a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/55 "2017-05-25T06:24:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Oh, Jesus. The fucking conspiracy nuts are out about Manchester being a false flag operation. > [Was the Manchester Terror Attack a 'False Flag'? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/manchester-attack-false-flag/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social) This now happens after every high-profile bad thing that happens. Usually within minutes. A recent high-profile shooting in my area was deemed to be a false flag because the county held a mass casualty exercise two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/56 "2017-05-25T06:33:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Who said that? Bill Maher said something along those lines on “Politically Incorrect,” which was a main reason that show was yanked off the air . His exact quote, aired within a few weeks of 9/11, was “We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building? Say what you want about it…not cowardly,” ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/57 "2017-05-25T14:58:14Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > I don’t mean to minimize this heinous act, but the coverage of it does make me think about how Trump’s claims that terrorism doesn’t get enough coverage in the media is exactly 100% the opposite of reality. Part of me would like to see a newscast open with: “22 people were killed in Britain today in a terrorist act…and meanwhile, about 4 times as many died in the U.S. in motor vehicle accidents today.” Of course, the difference is that the terrorist acts don’t happen every day whereas the motor vehicle carnage does. Or the number of deaths due to lung disease caused by pollution, or smoking deaths, or death by cheeseburger (overweight/over eating)…or myriad other things. Yeah, I totally agree. People are horrible at risk assessment or judging relative risks. And they are certainly bad at understanding probabilities associated with risk. And the media seems either particularly bad at this, or know that educating the public by making these kinds of comparisons just isn’t part of their business model. This is why someone like the Trumpster can, with a straight face, tell people that crime is at a 50 year high…and folks will believe him, since they see all this crime on TV every night. Must be true!! ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/58 "2017-05-25T18:23:27Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Those kids were not white, so unsurprising, Most of Anders Behring Breivik’s victims were white kids aged 14-18. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/59 "2017-05-27T04:38:48Z")
What’s wrong with this picture? “BRITISH independent politician Janice Atkinson has demanded the United Kingdom reintroduce the death penalty — [for suicide bombers](http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/british-politician-wants-death-penalty-for-suicide-bombers/news-story/0eec0b726cef5848baca05ed1022d2ca).” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-low-for-the-terrorists/787269/60 "2017-05-27T09:18:41Z")
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