# A new Matrix movie? Didn't everything get wrapped-up in Revolutions? The Matrix Resurrections (trailer) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377 "2021-09-09T14:22:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/61 "2021-09-10T17:42:03Z")
Ah, thanks. That’s disappointing, I was hoping there was some sort of misdirect as the character isn’t named on IMDB. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/62 "2021-09-10T18:12:39Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ah, thanks. That’s disappointing, I was hoping there was some sort of misdirect as the character isn’t named on IMDB Something is, hopefully, up with whatever is going on with Neo. He’s seeing Trinity who definitely died and the Morpheus he is seeing is younger. Perhaps both are part of the new Matrix(v 7.0) or something. I…well…I kind of hope at some point, younger Morpheus falls apart and real Morpheus(Larry Fishburne) comes out. Huge cheers from the crowd if that happens. Could be the moment of the movie. Yes, I heard Fishburne insists he was not invited back, but lying about that kind of secret is general policy. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/63 "2021-09-10T18:24:09Z")
I noted on the IMDB page that the composers are Tom Tykwer and Johnny Klimek, best known (by me at least) for _Run Lola Run_. So even if the movie sucks, at least the music should be good. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/64 "2021-09-10T18:42:24Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Because Hollywood is lazy and bereft of new ideas. > > Spoken as someone who gave up on the franchise in the second movie, which was so stupid it hurt my head. Aye; this. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/65 "2021-09-10T19:03:55Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I noted on the IMDB page that the composers are Tom Tykwer and Johnny Klimek, best known (by me at least) for _Run Lola Run_ . So even if the movie sucks, at least the music should be good. Weird. Did Don Davis drop out? I’m surprised he isn’t back. For all its flaws, the Matrix music was distinct and really well done. Even that ludicrous choral section in the third movie was pretty awesome in some ways. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/66 "2021-09-10T19:24:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Weird. Did Don Davis drop out? I’m surprised he isn’t back. For all its flaws, the Matrix music was distinct and really well done. I’m disappointed about this. Davis is a terrific (and underrated, IMHO) composer, and I thought he did a fantastic job on the first three films. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/67 "2021-09-10T20:21:53Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > The underlying premise of _The Matrix_ simply doesn’t make any sense Several people have mentioned similar sentiments, I don’t understand that criticism leveled at a sci-fi film. And I have heard that in IRL… from people who love Spiderman. Does it make sense that being bitten by a spider gives you the ability to sling webs? Or any time travel movie? Many, many great movies have premises that don’t make sense. But they’re movies, you sometimes just have to go with them. > [@BlankSlate](#): > > As to the rest of this thread, how could anyone like the first film and hate the second? What were you there for? Mouse? That’s hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/68 "2021-09-10T20:34:35Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > As to the rest of this thread, how could anyone like the first film and hate the second? What were you there for? Mouse? My wife will say she does not like the second one, but I remind that once they leave Zion, it’s quite solid. She agrees, but she has distinct memories of everyone being so shocked at how bad the opening “zion section” was when she saw it in the theater. I saw it opening weekend as well and we did agree the opening was terrible. I really still enjoy everything after that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/69 "2021-09-10T20:55:55Z")
Never really liked the first Matrix. I couldn’t get past why once he realized he was in the Matrix and could do anything that he chose to waste his time fighting his enemies using hand-to-hand combat. Much easier to point and wish them disappeared. So instead of being wowed by all the fighting scenes I just mumbled on how stupid he was being. And at the same time trying to convince my friends to go see the superior **Dark City**. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/70 "2021-09-10T21:13:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > Several people have mentioned similar sentiments, I don’t understand that criticism leveled at a sci-fi film. And I have heard that in IRL… from people who love Spiderman. Does it make sense that being bitten by a spider gives you the ability to sling webs? Or any time travel movie? Many, many great movies have premises that don’t make sense. But they’re movies, you sometimes just have to go with them. _shrug_ We all have different threshold for willing suspension of disbelief. Again, I was willing to grant the first Matrix movie its premise because the movie itself didn’t pay much attention to it. I’m willing to grant Spider-Man the radioactive spider bite because his movies don’t care much about it, either. If _Spider-Man 2_ and _Spider-Man 3_ spent much of their run-time diving deep into the inner workings of the lab where Peter was bitten and the philosophy implications of radioactive spiders and had the Green Goblin just sitting in a room delivering. exposition. in. a. stentorian. monotone., I imagine I would have thought they were bad movies, as well. And similarly, if those two movies had ignored how Spider-Man’s powers were portrayed in the original movie and arbitrarily scaled them back so that Peter was _less_ capable during most of their run time than he was at the end of the first movie, while off-handedly introducing new elements to how radioactive spider bites work that created internal contradictions within the plot, I probably would have also not liked that. As I’ve tried to explain, I try to take movies on their own terms. The first Matrix movie didn’t really pay much attention to its own premise other than as vague scaffold to hold together a bunch of bravura set-pieces and a workable Hero’s Journey, so I didn’t pay much attention to it, either. Same with _Spider-Man_. The second and third Matrix movies paid a _lot_ of attention to the underlying premise, so I did as well. The second and third Spider-Man movies didn’t pay _any_ attention to the radioactive spider bite, so I didn’t either. What _I_ don’t understand is why some people seem so resistant to other people simply having different tastes in movies. You liked the whole Matrix trilogy, and thought all three were good movies. I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/71 "2021-09-10T21:15:56Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > And at the same time trying to convince my friends to go see the superior **Dark City**. That is literally my favorite movie of all time. It was the only film I ever went to a movie theater to watch by myself and I still enjoyed the experience. Sorry about the hijack but nobody ever brings up Dark City. Now I need to go watch it yet again. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/72 "2021-09-10T21:25:05Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Never really liked the first Matrix. I couldn’t get past why once he realized he was in the Matrix and could do anything that he chose to waste his time fighting his enemies using hand-to-hand combat. Much easier to point and wish them disappeared. So instead of being wowed by all the fighting scenes I just mumbled on how stupid he was being. In defense of the first Matrix, which I _did_ enjoy: That’s kind of the whole point. At first, Neo _can’t_ just do anything he chose. He’s still bound by the rules of the Matrix. It’s a very explicit plot point called out in the dialogue that he can _bend_ the rules, but not _break_ them. The Oracle has foretold that The One _will_ be able to break the rules of the Matrix, and transcend the Matrix entirely. The rest of the movie is Neo’s Hero’s Journey/Gnostic Enlightenment Path to get to the point where, at the movie’s climax, he finally transcends the Matrix, and does defeat Agent Smith without a fight. As much time as I’ve spent in this thread arguing that it’s ok for different people to have different tastes and different thresholds for suspension of disbelief, though, I’m certainly not going to tell you that you retroactively should have enjoyed the Matrix more. If it didn’t work for you, it didn’t work for you. (I personally liked _Dark City_, and thought the atmosphere and aesthetics were _amazing_, but I didn’t enjoy the movie overall nearly as much as I did _The Matrix_.) ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/73 "2021-09-10T21:41:22Z")
Looks interesting. I didn’t love the sequels but I didn’t completely hate them either. They were not good, but also not franchise-ruining for me. The universe they created still holds a lot of intriguing possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/74 "2021-09-10T21:59:36Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > What _I_ don’t understand is why some people seem so resistant to other people simply having different tastes in movies. You liked the whole Matrix trilogy, and thought all three were good movies. I didn’t. _shrug_ It’s not that I’m resistant to other people having different tastes, it’s the vehemence that I find hard to swallow. It rarely seems to be "_The first one was great, but the sequels didn’t hold up as well for me"_. It’s more like _“The first one was great, the sequels were bloated garbage and the only thing worse is the Holocaust or maybe the Khmer Rouge”_. (I am basing my experience on what I’ve heard and read generally - not just on this board) But OK, I’ll buy you didn’t like them, fair enough. But come on, same actors playing the same characters, same writers, same directors, all taking place in the same sci-fi world. The first was good the second was the Holocaust? I myself liked the original best. Some of the scenes in the sequels did seem over-wrought but I think the ‘world’ held together well enough and the good outweighed the bad. Overall I enjoyed them. ETA: Of course while I was writing this post, DCnDC came along and disproved my post. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/75 "2021-09-10T22:03:59Z")
You couldn’t get past the part 4 seconds from the end of the movie? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/76 "2021-09-10T22:04:14Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > And at the same time trying to convince my friends to go see the superior **Dark City**. I waited until November of 1999 to see The Matrix. At that point, it was in only one theater and the copy was grainy and had scratches(remember when movies were like that after awhile?). Anyway, my reason had been that I thought it sounded a lot like Dark City. People enslaved in ignorance. Guy finds out about it and realizes he is some kind of “one”. Comes into his full power and defeats them. When I did go see The Matrix, though, I was _very_ impressed. Dark City is an amazing movie, too. I would not choose one over the other, though I could hear arguments for both being superior to the other. My point is that I was the same, but in the end, I realized that The Matrix is equal at the very least to Dark City. Dark City was just less seen at the time and obviously still remains that way. Both have great music, too. That Dark City theme is just awesome! ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/77 "2021-09-10T22:08:39Z")
> [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > _shrug_ It’s not that I’m resistant to other people having different tastes, it’s the vehemence that I find hard to swallow. It rarely seems to be > " _The first one was great, but the sequels didn’t hold up as well for me"_ . > > It’s more like _“The first one was great, the sequels were bloated garbage and the only thing worse is the Holocaust or maybe the Khmer Rouge”_ . (I am basing my experience on what I’ve heard and read generally - not just on this board) I actually agree that that _particular_ reaction is ridiculous. It goes _well_ beyond mere humorous hyperbole. If your only objection is to that sort of hyper-hatred, I’m actually with you, I think, but that was not at _all_ the impression I got from your previous posts. > [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > But OK, I’ll buy you didn’t like them, fair enough. But come on, same actors playing the same characters, same writers, same directors, all taking place in the same sci-fi world. The first was good the second was the Holocaust? Again, the comparison to the Holocaust is beyond ridiculous, and I’m with you there. But, even with the same characters, same writers, same director(s), all taking place in the same sci-fi world, it’s perfectly possible for sequels to worse, even much worse, than the original. Sometimes a movie catches lightning in a bottle, and even the same creative team can’t recapture the magic (_Ghostbusters_, I’m looking at you…). But, again, that’s just my personal reaction, and Your Mileage May Vary. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/78 "2021-09-10T22:14:35Z")
Another comparison from me: The Matrix - awesome like Star Wars! Reloaded - Wow, kind of the “Force Awakens”\* level of good. Nice, good, not as good as what we’ve had before. Revolutions - Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones. Are there any good moments? Yes, I mean they put a lot of effort it. Is it a crappy movie? Oh, most certainly yes. \*This only works if you really like Force Awakens. I did. Yes, the sequels to it were also disappointing, but I did like it. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/79 "2021-09-10T22:18:22Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Your Mileage May Vary. Nope, I totally agree with you on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377/80 "2021-09-10T22:19:14Z")
The first matrix movie was like amazing sex with a stranger at a bar - mind blowing and something you’ll always thing of fondly. The second movie was going back the next night and discovering that you were fucking a donkey - discusting enough to put you off sex a while. I didn’t see the third in theaters but a couple of years later I caught it on cable. Going back the third time was like getting drunk and lonely and thinking back on the first night and calling up for a booty call, only this time the donkey spends the night fucking you in the ass. I’m sure I’ve seen worse movies than matrix 3 but I can’t think of any of them. The trailer looks interesting enough that I’ll probably check it out for free on streaming in a couple of years but there is no way I’m paying to see that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-matrix-movie-didnt-everything-get-wrapped-up-in-revolutions-the-matrix-resurrections-trailer/950377.md?page=5)