# A new record! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804 "2017-10-02T13:09:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/441 "2017-10-05T17:26:08Z")
Okrahoma from Russia? Lay off the drugs… ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/442 "2017-10-05T17:37:40Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Okrahoma from Russia? Lay off the drugs… Liberals have their fantasies 🙂 It’s actually good that they have them. They mollify them a bit. Otherwise they would have to find some other outlet for all their frustrations. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/443 "2017-10-05T17:39:31Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Okrahoma from Russia? Lay off the drugs… Russian sympathizer. Better? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/444 "2017-10-05T17:42:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Russian sympathizer. Better? American righties and Putanistas wouldn’t get along. Most Americans believe in freedom and democracy and distrust strong government. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/445 "2017-10-05T17:44:28Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Now you are doing their job for them. Quit obsessing about details: > Their guns; their problem. Sure, let them have their guns and figure out these problems, because it should cost them, dearly. Wrongful deaths committed by act of a firearm should be taxed to all gun owners. The more guns you own, the more you pay on a wrongful death tax. How much that tax is should be tied into the real world somehow, like money given to aid families who lost a breadwinner, hospital bills, funeral costs. Plus money that goes into a general fund to prevent such things from happening in the first place. All in all, the more wrongful deaths, the more gun owners pay. And it should be felt in each and everyone’s pocket, dearly. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/446 "2017-10-05T17:44:28Z")
Hell, I sympathize with Russians, relate even, we both have two of the worst political leaders _evah!_ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/447 "2017-10-05T17:47:37Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > What a rambling incoherent screed. FBI!!! So, you have no response. Figures. I asked you questions that you are too chickenshit to answer, and you simply respond with pathetic attempts of deflection and insult. > [@](#): > > Someone posted a YouTube vid on how to make one of those rapid fire thingies. Out of easily available and legal material. Banning them will make us feel good but won’t accomplish anything. And I’ve seen videos on how to make pipe bombs, so banning hand grenades just makes us feel better but won’t accomplish anything. > [@madsircool](#): > > Okrahoma from Russia? Lay off the drugs… It’s the more charitable explanation for his behavior in always defending russia’s interest. He could just be a stupid as you are, but what are the chances? > [@Okrahoma](#): > > Liberals have their fantasies 🙂 It’s actually good that they have them. They mollify them a bit. Otherwise they would have to find some other outlet for all their frustrations. True, I do have the fantasy that you only act like someone who has left, against medical advice, a head trauma ward, because it is hard to imagine that actual fully functioning humans would be as stupid and incapable of following simple logic as you are. Thinking that you are being disingenuous and simply trying to rile things up for your masters is preferable to imagining that my species has produced something like you. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/448 "2017-10-05T17:48:54Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > American righties and Putanistas wouldn’t get along. Most Americans believe in freedom and democracy and distrust strong government. You’re harshing his buzz. Let him have his fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/449 "2017-10-05T17:50:34Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > American righties and Putanistas wouldn’t get along. Most Americans believe in freedom and democracy and distrust strong government. Hey wow, this is a first for you, you are correct on both counts. More americans did vote for Clinton than for Trump, and you are correct that the Putanistas would never get along with such snivelling cowards as the american righties has to offer these days. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/450 "2017-10-05T18:11:21Z")
And now Kelly Ann Wrongway attempts to blame the carnage on, guess who, Obama and Hillary. The Rs fight every attempt, no matter how reasonable, at any sort of gun control. The gall of that woman is unbelieveable. Fuck her. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/451 "2017-10-05T18:31:54Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > And now Kelly Ann Wrongway attempts to blame the carnage on, guess who, Obama and Hillary. The Rs fight every attempt, no matter how reasonable, at any sort of gun control. The gall of that woman is unbelieveable. Fuck her. Ain’t no acid strong enough Ain’t no blindfold thick enough Ain’t no knife that’s sharp enough To make me fuck that girl ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/452 "2017-10-05T19:10:27Z")
First you say this: > [@Bricker](#): > > Of course. Lying and distortion are their go-to tactics. Then you say this: > [@](#): > > The weapon used is already illegal, and that ban is consistent with the Second Amendment (cites on request). Which turned out to be a lie. Looks like you were mostly right when you said “Lying and distortion are their go-to tactics.”–the only bit you got wrong was the “their.” ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/453 "2017-10-05T21:16:10Z")
BBC News says 83 Americans have died from gunshots since Sunday. Just not in the same place. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/454 "2017-10-05T21:53:33Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It hasn’t happened, but it’s not from a lack of trying by the Democrats. It’s obvious from some in this thread that Democrats want to ban/confiscate firearms. They just can’t keep enough seats in the various legislatures to make their dreams come true. > [@SaneBill](#): > > **doorhinge** , > Could you cite where Democrats/Liberals want to ban/confiscate ALL guns ? > > Also why it is that when the lefties want to change a law even a little bit ( whatever law that might be ), The Righties start screaming slippery slope. But when The Righties want to change some law a little bit, there never seems to be any slippery slope-cries from the Left. Can you explain this ? Oh my gosh, I didn’t mean to say “ALL” guns. Oh! Wait a minute. I didn’t say “ALL” guns. Can I explain what, exactly? Why do people respond differently to similar situations? If things were different, things would be different. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/455 "2017-10-06T00:05:44Z")
QFT “The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights” > [@](#): > > My friends have kids in an elite New York City private school. A few years back, during seventh-grade bar/bat mitzvah season – which, in these social circles, is like a months-long Hollywood after-party for thirteen-year olds – their son was invited to his classmate’s party. Not the bar mitzvah where the parents flew a bunch of parents and kids to Paris for their son’s coming of age. No, the bat mitzvah held in Rockefeller Center. Ceremony in the Rainbow Room. Party in the skating rink. Closed to the public. On a Saturday night. When my friend went to pick his son up to bring him home, he was stopped at the perimeter of the promenade, just inside the ring of limos, by armed guards with those really fully automatic weapons, who would not let him in because he didn’t have an invitation. He had to wait outside for his son to come out. Thank goodness for cell phones, which, of course, every thirteen-year-old has. > > Here’s the thing, and everybody knows it: Whatever strictest possible gun-control regime is instituted by favored liberal politicians, the family who threw that party will still have all the guns that it wants at its disposal. Donald Trump will still have his carry permit. Goldman Sachs will have all the weapons it wants for its private army, which will still be working as an allied brigade of the supposedly public branch of the ruling class’s armed forces, and which its PR people will make sure is never crudely referred to as a “militia.” And don’t worry, Joe, no one will be taking your Beretta. Forty-nine million nine-hundred thousand ninety-nine hundred or so Americans who have never done a wrong thing will be disarmed by force, but every one of this class will have all the guns s/he wants at his or her disposal. There will be a system of waivers, fees and private security armies for anyone in the .01%. Keeping in mind the incredible growing socio-economic inequality in this country – which, of course, the push for strict gun control has nothing to do with – the American social landscape is going to be populated with more, not fewer, gun-toting characters like these, who will have less, not more, accountability, and among whom there are no imaginary Gandhis: (ETA: photo of Blackwater-type armed goons) So no, no one wants to ban _all_ guns; Bloomberg will continue to accompanied by armed bodyguards everywhere he goes; because he’s, you know, **important**. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/456 "2017-10-06T05:53:27Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Sure, let them have their guns and figure out these problems, because it should cost them, dearly. Wrongful deaths committed by act of a firearm should be taxed to all gun owners. The more guns you own, the more you pay on a wrongful death tax. How much that tax is should be tied into the real world somehow, like money given to aid families who lost a breadwinner, hospital bills, funeral costs. Plus money that goes into a general fund to prevent such things from happening in the first place. > > All in all, the more wrongful deaths, the more gun owners pay. And it should be felt in each and everyone’s pocket, dearly. That would be a interpretation. But don’t sweat the details: their guns; their problem. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/457 "2017-10-06T09:21:25Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > QFT “The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights” It’s hard to take this seriously as a genuine left argument for gun rights. That’s not how those who occupy the commanding heights of our economy maintain their power. And if it ever gets to the point where they do so, we’ll already be in something of a dystopia. They may always be able to command enough guns to keep their mansions safe and their parties from being crashed, but that’s a last-ditch defensive function in any real struggle for control. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/458 "2017-10-06T09:43:53Z")
_Some of us are prisoners the rest of us are guards._ - St. Robert of Hibbing ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/459 "2017-10-07T05:16:37Z")
CNN is making a noble yet futile effort to keep from saying the shooter’s name. They want the names of the victim’s to be remembered, not his. But let’s face it, it’s always the shooter’s name that’s remembered. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/460 "2017-10-07T07:54:49Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > CNN is making a noble yet futile effort to keep from saying the shooter’s name. They want the names of the victim’s to be remembered, not his. But let’s face it, it’s always the shooter’s name that’s remembered. Easier to remember one name than 60. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804.md?page=24)