# A new record! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804 "2017-10-02T13:09:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/81 "2017-10-02T16:05:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > (1) “You deliberately stabbed this guy with your knife and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (2) “You deliberately beat this guy with your baseball bat and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (3) “You deliberately ran this guy over with your car and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (4) “You deliberately shot this guy with your rifle and he’s dead! Why don’t we do something about guns? What the fuck’s wrong with this country?” I’m going to assume you’ve gone full retard on us here because you just love guns so much, and not that you’re having a stroke. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/82 "2017-10-02T16:08:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > (1) “You deliberately stabbed this guy with your knife and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (2) “You deliberately beat this guy with your baseball bat and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (3) “You deliberately ran this guy over with your car and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (4) “You deliberately shot this guy with your rifle and he’s dead! Why don’t we do something about guns? What the fuck’s wrong with this country?” Another example of “we can’t do anything about guns as long as any other means to kill somebody exist.” ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/83 "2017-10-02T16:08:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > (1) “You deliberately stabbed this guy with your knife and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (2) “You deliberately beat this guy with your baseball bat and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (3) “You deliberately ran this guy over with your car and he’s dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you?” > > (4) “You deliberately shot this guy with your rifle and he’s dead! Why don’t we do something about guns? What the fuck’s wrong with this country?” (4a) “You deliberately shot 50 people with your rifle and they are dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/84 "2017-10-02T16:11:55Z")
Looks like the gun crime apologists are disappointed with the low body count. Surely citizens should be allowed access to grenade launchers and tactical nukes too. It says “shall not be infringed” motherfuckers. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/85 "2017-10-02T16:13:23Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Hell, let’s arm the housemaids and the bell hops. It’s the only way we can all be safe. But _Uke_, they’s likely brown folk! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/86 "2017-10-02T16:14:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > 1. The author is careless and/or ignorant. The editors are strongly anti-gun, which animates their fact-checking decisions. An statement that supports an anti-gun agenda is not fact-checked, because it doesn’t ring false. A statement that strengthens the gun rights argument is carefully fact-checked because the editors don’t want it to be true. This means that false statements that support gun restrictions easily make it to publications, and false statements that support gun rights are reliably detected and squelched. This endemic bias is fairly characterized as “lying,” because it arises from more than neutral, honest error. How, exactly, does one of Paddock’s 10 weapons being illegal (or at least very difficult) to own support an “anti-gun agenda”? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/87 "2017-10-02T16:15:50Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Looks like the gun crime apologists are disappointed with the low body count. Surely citizens should be allowed access to grenade launchers and tactical nukes too. It says “shall not be infringed” motherfuckers. I’ve long wondered about that. The Second Amendment doesn’t say ‘firearms’ or ‘sidearms,’ it says ‘arms.’ And nuclear arms are, well, _arms_. It’s right there in the name. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/88 "2017-10-02T16:16:29Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > I’m going to assume you’ve gone full retard on us here because you just love guns so much, and not that you’re having a stroke. I’m going to assume he’s just trolling again. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Another example of “we can’t do anything about guns as long as any other means to kill somebody exist.” Being called on fallacies is for other people, not him. > [@Folacin](#): > > (4a) “You deliberately shot 50 people with your rifle and they are dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” Tools that are \*intended \*for that purpose, unlike the others the troll brought into it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/89 "2017-10-02T16:17:39Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > (4a) “You deliberately shot 50 people with your rifle and they are dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” “You deliberately killed 168 people with a rental truck, fertilizer, and fuel oil. What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” Answer? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/90 "2017-10-02T16:17:47Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > At least 50 dead, 200 injured in Las Vegas shooting. Just another red-blooded American taking advantage of his Second Amendment freedoms! And not only that, he set a new record for deaths in a mass shooting. What a tough mark for the next guy to try to top, but I’m sure it’ll happen soon enough. Go U.S.A.! Classy, quickly politicizing the deaths of 58 people so far, many of whom are likely to have supported the Second Amendment. I’m sure they would have appreciated some anti-gun nut speaking for them. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/91 "2017-10-02T16:19:38Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > How, exactly, does one of Paddock’s 10 weapons being illegal (or at least very difficult) to own support an “anti-gun agenda”? The suggestion that the now-repealed Clinton-era ban would have prevented ownership of the weapon is the anti-gun rights agenda. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/92 "2017-10-02T16:20:01Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > (4a) “You deliberately shot 50 people with your rifle and they are dead! What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” Emphasis added. Can we wait to find out whether the gun was even legal and if it was obtained legally before we ask that question? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/93 "2017-10-02T16:20:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “You deliberately killed 168 people with a rental truck, fertilizer, and fuel oil. What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” > > Answer? The answer, of course, is that we then instituted more regulations of both rental trucks and fertilizer. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/94 "2017-10-02T16:21:01Z")
Why can’t we discuss why things are legal or not, Your Majesty? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/95 "2017-10-02T16:21:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “You deliberately killed 168 people with a rental truck, fertilizer, and fuel oil. What the fuck’s wrong with you? And what the fuck is wrong with this country that you had access to tools that allowed you to do that?” > > Answer? Is there a store where I can get a truck, fertilizer, and fuel oil all in one go? Like, all mixed together, no assembly required, etc? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/96 "2017-10-02T16:21:47Z")
> [@XT](#): > > So, we know fuck all about this crazy asshole so far. Do you think that knowing more about this guy will help us prevent the next mass shooting? If so, why? If not, why should I care about his particulars? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/97 "2017-10-02T16:22:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Classy, quickly politicizing the deaths of 58 people so far, many of whom are likely to have supported the Second Amendment. Pathetic, using the traditional gun-fetishist tactic of avoiding serious discussion. > [@](#): > > I’m sure they would have appreciated some anti-gun nut speaking for them. I’m sure they would have appreciated being _alive_. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/98 "2017-10-02T16:23:41Z")
We’re all acting out [this comic.](https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029660773) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/99 "2017-10-02T16:26:11Z")
In more good news, the House is set to vote on a new firearms-related bill: > **[House to Vote on Gun Silencer Legislation This Week](https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-10-02/house-poised-to-pass-law-easing-sale-of-gun-silencers-after-las-vegas-shooting)** > > The massacre in Las Vegas is unlikely to slow the progress of legislation in the House this week. No word on whether it is going to be renamed the Stephen Paddock Hearing Protection Act of 2017. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804/100 "2017-10-02T16:26:58Z")
You know what? Screw this. I’m out of this thread, and I leave you anti-gun idiots with this pleasant thought: bloviate all you want. Mewl and whine and maybe all get together and chant. I love it when you idiots offer up shit like, “Hey hey, ho ho, all these guns have got to go, hey hey, ho ho.” But that’s not happening. This tragedy is the result of the fact that there are sick and evil people in the world, and it is NOT the result of a robust Second Amendment. And that robust Second Amendment is immune to your grabby little fingers. So no matter how many sit-ins, marches, chants, and lies you spew, the **law is not going to change**. That’s reality. Get used to it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-record-u-s-a-u-s-a-u-s-a/797804.md?page=6)