# A new standard for lameness in the Pit- Tarantula, who, and that

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [June 20, 2003, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133 "2003-06-20T11:48:58Z")\
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**Author:** ![Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aslan_of_Narnia)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133/41 "2003-06-20T17:52:48Z")

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Please stop being so cruel and address me by my name so I can properly gloat when I search for my name. 😉 😃

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**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133/42 "2003-06-20T17:55:55Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Aslan2 \*  
> \*\*Please stop being so cruel and address me by my name so I can properly gloat when I search for my name. 😉 😃 \*\*

They have lions in Asia, don’t they? If so, I don’t see your complaint. 😛

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**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2003, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133/43 "2003-06-20T18:04:37Z")

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I thought the Romanes killed off all the lions in Asia by importing them to be slaughtered in their arenas.

By bunnies.

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**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133/44 "2003-06-20T18:17:50Z")

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True, **Neurotik** , but some lions managed to get away thanks to some harey escapes.

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**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-standard-for-lameness-in-the-pit-tarantula-who-and-that/183133/45 "2003-06-21T13:31:55Z")

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> \*Originally posted by SkipMagic \*  
> **Now, just so this is cleared up right away (in case you have any doubt), I want you to know that I was just joking with you when I posted that “correction.” I really wasn’t taking any serious pot-shots at you.**

Oh, God, I realized that. Honestly, I do have a sense of humor. Somewhere.

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> \*Originally posted by SkipMagic \*  
> **That said, sugaree, even though you purposely split the original compound sentence into two, your use of “however”–although largely a style choice in informal writing–was still incorrect. While “however” does indeed function as more than a subjunctive adverb, the use of “however” to start the next sentence fit none of the other functions. All it did was make your second sentence choppy and somewhat awkward to read.**

Okay, admittedly I do not write my posts here-- even those about grammar-- with the same diligence with which I would apply to a research paper. I’m gonna get slammed by Gaudere’s Law no matter what, so why stress? However (HA!), I didn’t purposely split a compound sentence. I wanted to separate the two thoughts for clarity’s sake, and I’m a big believer in transitional phrases. This [usage note](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=however) (yeah, whatever’s that worth) mentions the…controversy over using “however” as an introductory element.

I wonder if it would have read better had I “complexed” it. While you used “that” in a matter that would win the approval of any English teacher, you used a superflulous comma after “whites.” I don’t know about that because I feel that the main points in one’s writing have more punch when given in simple sentences.

But what do I know? After all, I am…

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> \*Originally posted by Tarantula \*  
> \*\*…one of the most stupid people ever.  
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I may use that as a sig.

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