# A parting gift for the homophobes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299 "2002-09-06T15:34:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/221 "2002-09-09T06:34:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by awd\_dsm \* > brujo Thank you so much for that post. Makes me feel all gitty inside. Perhaps that’s because you’re really a git? ---
**Author:** ![awd\_dsm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@awd\_dsm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/awd_dsm)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/222 "2002-09-09T06:37:26Z")
I am not the only one who believes this. If i was the only one then it would be excepted in the world to be “GAY” but it’s not. If it not being excepted in the world doesn’t give you a hint what will? It’s not excepted by the mass of the people in the world and i don’t except it. That’s life and you can either kill all of us or get over it. I believe that you made the choise to be homosexual and you will have to live with that choice. I would never go on a “gay bashing” or anything like that. I thought that this was a message board and a place to debate. and i thought this was posted in the “BBQ” and a place to bash. I geuss my computer is different than all of yours. Because that sure as hell is what it looks like to me. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/223 "2002-09-09T06:44:08Z")
Well, you can bash all you want in the pit, or debate whatever you want (with a few exceptions, of course). Just be aware that what you post will be read, and there’s a reply button, and anyone can respond to your comments however they want to…just because you post something doesn’t mean everyone is going to accept it without question. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/224 "2002-09-09T06:44:39Z")
Aw, how cute! He thought he’d come in here, spew his bullshit all over, and we’d leave him alone. When you post here, bub, be prepared to back up your opinion. If you don’t know a damned thing about what you’re talking about, be prepared to get taken to the cleaners. Double that if you’re going to post hateful ignorance. And we don’t have to kill all of you. We have to convince most of you to start thinking for yourselves, and then we have to wait until the rest of you die off from natural causes. Or, more likely in your case, from killing each other off, in keeping with your belief in violence as a solution. A little bit of advice, **awd\_dsm**. Don’t get into a gunfight if all you’ve got is a peashooter. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/225 "2002-09-09T06:44:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by awd\_dsm \* > \*\*I am not the only one who believes this. If i was the only one then it would be excepted in the world to be “GAY” but it’s not. > If it not being excepted in the world doesn’t give you a hint what will? It’s not excepted by the mass of the people in the world and i don’t except it. That’s life and you can either kill all of us or get over it. > I believe that you made the choise to be homosexual and you will have to live with that choice. > > I would never go on a “gay bashing” or anything like that. I thought that this was a message board and a place to debate. > and i thought this was posted in the “BBQ” and a place to bash. > I geuss my computer is different than all of yours. > Because that sure as hell is what it looks like to me. \*\* It may look like that to you, but that’s not the way it is. This is not a place to bash. from what I’ve seen in my three years here, this is a place to discuss grievances. I don’t know who brought to here, or why you’ve come here, unless it is just to be a pig. You share your bias, and your hatred, but what do you have to really support that? Your computer and ours aren’t any different, but obviously our brains are. Feel free to come back when you actually get a brain, Scarecrow. ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/226 "2002-09-09T06:45:40Z")
There was a time when black people wanting to be doctors and lawyers wasn’t accepted either, you self-righteous half-wit. I’m 19 years old, too, but I can construct coherent sentences. What’s your excuse? ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/227 "2002-09-09T06:46:35Z")
Aww, but he’s so cute. Like one of those yip dogs that you want to drop-kick to see if they make any other kind of noise other than that keening bark. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Creant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b487fb/32.png) [@Miss\_Creant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Creant)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/228 "2002-09-09T07:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* > > Actually, God doesn’t condone any sex outside of the bonds of holy matrimony. Any sex outside of marriage (fornication) is wrong in God’s eyes, 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 and 35-38. Gays aren’t married. Of course, you’ll bring up the fact that they can’t marry because the law won’t let them. Well, marriage is considered to be a union between a man and a woman but I suppose you can come up with another meaning. \*\* So you’re saying **Adam and Eve** had a wedding? [sub]I wonder where they registered[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Creant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b487fb/32.png) [@Miss\_Creant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Creant)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/229 "2002-09-09T07:44:59Z")
and just as an aside, am I the only one who finds it amusing when parents sue for custody of their gay child’s children? (got that?) Argument being that the home of a gay couple would be damaging or whatever ridiculous argument they use. How come no one ever points out that if the drivel these people spew was actually **FACT** , and that you could choose to be gay, and that it’s Nurture not Nature, it’s **THEIR** fault. Meaning that if it’s the home life that caused the “gayness”, the parents caused their adult child’s ‘gayness’, so they want the courts to give them their grandchildren so they can do it again? I am REALLY hoping this is coherent…I could write coherently at 19, but at 35 an at 2:30 am, it’s a free for all ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/230 "2002-09-09T07:58:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > A) **iampunha** , in light of **andygirl’s** post, I apologize. I was trying to get across that I do not see homosexuality as a morality issue. I actually didn’t take as much of an issue with your post as a few others did, though I appreciate the apology:) I think I can see where you’re coming from, it’s just … well, a lot of things that **I** know about the people in this thread you probably **don’t** know. I’ve seen bits and pieces of the story **andygirl** posted before, and met her in person twice. I’ve talked to **Mr. Visible** on IRC before, and **hastur** as well, about coming out and things totally different from it. I think more than anything it’s the awareness, having gone through figuring out my sexuality (which is, for me, somewhat of an ongoing process. To what extent do I prefer women over men? It’s not anything I can assign a number to … to me that seems like, as the saying goes, “dancing about architecture”. It’s totally apart from a number system.), that it is as much of a personal thing as a relationship is. And that there is a possibility with _everyone_ and _anyone_ I meet that they will think one of the following of me because of my sexuality: 1. I’m nothing but a sex slut (try that one on a virgin, see what happens). 2. I chose to be a deviant member of society. 3. I am going straight to hell to burn aside Matthew Shepard for My Sin. 4. I can’t decide if I like women or men (which is, of course, bullshit; I didn’t “decide” I liked them both. I just … do:)). 5. I am unfit to make or otherwise raise a child. 6. I live my life a certain way (this would be the classic “homosexual lifestyle” argument I see so often and have _yet_ to find someone who supports it who can show me the similarities in lifestyles between **Captain Amazing** and **matt\_mcl** based on their sexuality) based on my sexuality. 7. I have no idea that the Bible condemns homosexuality and all non-het pre-marriage sexual activity. And once I read select scriptural quotations, I will of course realize My Sin and repent and be saved once I accept Jesus into my life. There are others, but I think you get the general idea:) The sad thing is that to a lot of people homosexuality **is** a(n) (im)morality issue. And to the extent that people are willing to debate about it with open eyes and minds and hearts, I doubt I’ll ever stop (debating). It’s the people who are _convinced_ that theirs is The One Truth So Help Them God who really piss me off. They claim to know that part of my existence is a choice I am making. They think they know where I’m going when I die. And when that doesn’t make me laugh (someone _KNOWS_ God’s mind? Riiiight;) Only one who knows that is God, and He ain’t tellin’;)), it kinda makes me angry. Sometimes a good bit. And I’ve had to walk away from a few “debates” with bibliolatrists when I found out they weren’t willing to accept even the _idea_ that they might not be right. That isn’t debating, that’s arguing. Not particularly conducive to much of anything except a sore throat. Looking through some of the posts after yours, it seems we have another braying voice to add to the herd of three ( **His4ever** and **JerseyDiamond** being the other two sources of white noise). I’ll just point out the irony in the latter part of this creature’s username … DSM. Because the second and every subsequent edition have declared homosexuality to be every bit as viable as heterosexuality, though I doubt this character would know one if it said “I’m here, I’m queer, get used to it”. And instead of asking you **what** you believe, **awd\_dsm** (why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?:)), I’m wondering what has led you to believe as you do. Some sort of book? Media? Parents? He Who Shall Not Be Named? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/231 "2002-09-09T08:15:06Z")
I was ‘hit on’ by a gay bloke in a men’s rest room (while standing at the urinals - I won’t go into the details), and as a heterosexual, I found it a little distrurbing, so I tend to use the cublicles now if I think it might happen again. I’m pretty sure I know why this sort of activity goes on in toilets - it’s because everywhere else is out of bounds - if people(generally) could just let people express their natural behaviour (without resorting to indecency, of course, but the same goes for people of any orientation) in public, then we would quite likely be able to use toilets for nothing more than the elimination of wastes. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/232 "2002-09-09T10:10:45Z")
**awd\_dsm** you said > [@](#): > > All i say is “us straight people” should not have to worry about going into a rest area on the interstate and being hit on I’ve got news for you. This straight person is aware of the possibility of being hit on by a man at a rest area, while buying a newspaper, or anywhere else, and society’s not going to condemn it wholesale. The reason is because I’m female. I’ve had people hit on my while buying a newspaper and while walking down the street. I’ve even had one fellow who would not leave me alone while I was hanging out my laundry, and I’m one of the lucky ones. If you were offended by someone hitting on you when you were busy doing something else, ask yourself if you or your buddies have ever hit on a girl who was doing something else. Then ask yourself why the latter’s ok but not the former. Learn to read, learn to think, and learn to type. **Andy Girl, Kirkland** , all I can give you is sympathies and a few more good arguements. CJ ---
**Author:** ![MrO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MrO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrO)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/233 "2002-09-09T10:52:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by awd\_dsm \* > **and yes i do believe that everyone makes the choice to be or not be gay.** Yeah, and what about those perverts who _choose_ to write with their _left hands_? Twisted sicko freaks! How could they possibly think that’s not immoral, when 90% of the population writes with their right hand? A good beating would straighten them up!:rolleyes: Oh, wait. For you, **awd\_dsm** , I think that would be “rights with there wright hand.” (Thank you, **Nocturne** , for demonstrating that a teenager can be literate. But I think it’s an exaggeration to call this one a half-wit.) As for being hit on in public restrooms, I share **Mangetout** ’s view: when a group is marginalized, driven underground, well, they go underground. So basically, **awd\_dsm** , it’s your attitude that brought about this situation. I’ve had gay men express interest in me, and I found it pretty similar to being hit on by women who didn’t appeal to me. In no case did I fear that they were going to rape me or beat me up for not returning their interest. As **cjhoworth** pointed out, women put up with unwanted sexual attention all the time. Do you also beat up straight guys who hit on women? > [@](#): > > **I would never go on a “gay bashing” or anything like that.** What do you think you’re doing here? Relax; those icky homosexuals are not as dangerous as you think. It won’t rub off on you. Take a few years away from the message board, learn the English language, learn to think, and stop being afraid of everything. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/234 "2002-09-09T11:01:32Z")
That’s funny. I’ve been in hundreds of rest area bathrooms in my 26 years, and never once have I been hit on by a gay man. Could it be that **awd\_dsm** is tripping everyone’s gaydar somehow? :eek: Somehow, I’m reminded of [this classic from _The Onion_](http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/why_do_all_these.html). (Warning: mature audiences only.) Dr. J ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/235 "2002-09-09T11:12:26Z")
For the record; if there were unisex rest rooms here and if I had been subject to the _equivalent_ sort of attention (whatever the hell that would be) from a female; I would have been at least equally disturbed by the experience, quite probably more so. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/236 "2002-09-09T11:45:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by awd\_dsm \* > and yes i do believe that everyone makes the choice to be or not be gay. To be or not to be … that is the question. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/237 "2002-09-09T12:01:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by awd\_dsm \* > **We are supposed to be adding to the human race. explain to me how a gay person adds to the human race?** Nothing at all? Maybe you should look up Turing some time, since he is on of the people highly responsible for the machine you’re misusing to spout your posts with. There are plenty more, but I have the feeling even one may be too much for you to look into. There’s a lot more that a person can do than just pump out babies, you know. Oh, and I really like your reason for why people “decide to be gay.” Is that the same reason some animals are gay, too? Parents didn’t pay enough attention to them? (And for that matter, why would one sibling be gay and another straight? I know, I ask as if there’s some answer that makes sense…) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/238 "2002-09-09T12:21:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by awd\_dsm \* > \*\*I am not the only one who believes this. If i was the only one then it would be excepted in the world to be “GAY” but it’s not. > If it not being excepted in the world doesn’t give you a hint what will? It’s not excepted by the mass of the people in the world and i don’t except it. /B] [Argumentum ad populum](http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/pop.htm) (appeal to popularity) Bzzzzt! you lose. Just because a whole bunch of people hold the same opinion, it doesn’t make that opinion true, reasonable or justifiable (lots of people believe that tinfoil hats will protect you from the orbital mind-control lasers, maybe you should look into that). Oh and I think you mean _accept_; It isn’t normally a good idea to nitpick over spelling, but I figured you need all the help you can get. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/239 "2002-09-09T12:29:30Z")
**awd\_dsm** , If gayness is a decision, how come gay parents raise normal ratios of gay/straight children? Children from homes with urban-degenerate same sex parenting actually tend to be more open to experiment, but still end up just as gay or straight as the kids of a God-fearing nucleus family from the sticks. Explain me that? If it’s decision logic should dictate that kids who know it to be alright to fish on the opposite or both sides of the boat should be more ready to make that decision, or? It was said earlier that the homophobes are in the minority… well that might be true if we are talking the straight supremacist type, but IMHE the general population serves lip service to that tolerance; “I sure don’t mind them homos as long as long as they keep their gayness to themselves and don’t flaunt it,” is a pretty prevailing opinion - just wait until they have a kid and s/he grows up to “all wrong.” Sparc ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2002, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/240 "2002-09-09T12:37:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phoenix Dragon \* > Nothing at all? Maybe you should look up Turing some time, since he is on of the people highly responsible for the machine you’re misusing to spout your posts with. There are plenty more, but I have the feeling even one may be too much for you to look into. > > There’s a lot more that a person can do than just pump out babies, you know. My suspicion is that this creature meant “gay relationships don’t produce babies”, and further “two gay men/women can’t have a baby resulting from gay sex”. Probably this creature also believes that it would be immoral and dangerous to a child to be raised by a non-heterosexual parent (or, “::shudder::”, two). The problem (well, one) with that “gay relationships can’t produce babies” standpoint, of course, is that there are any number of heterosexual relationships where A) they can’t make babies and/or B) they have no desire to, and take preventative measures to that end. Is a marriage/union/partnership invalid simply because of the lack of offspring produced or inability of one partner to do so? Creature, I can almost completely guarantee you that whatever argument you have, we’ve seen it and it’s either horseshit or bullshit. I guess that means you’re full of shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299.md?page=13)