# A parting gift for the homophobes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299 "2002-09-06T15:34:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/61 "2002-09-07T04:12:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*Pathetic. > > You can’t claim moral superiority with foam on your chin. > \*\* Or with hate in your heart, **Shodan**. **Krisfer the Cat** , you can certainly quote the OP all you like. I’d appreciate it if you’d include a link to this thread when you quote it, and a reciprocal link here to the board where you quoted it. And I’m flattered. You know, people, the straight supremacists aren’t really worth arguing with. They know, deep down, that their arguments make no sense whatsoever. They’re aware of their hypocrisy; it only makes them angry at the world. They’re closed, tight wads of flesh, desperately clinging to any ideology that will make them feel superior to someone, anyone. Otherwise they may have to face themselves, and the hateful, fearful bigots they really are. Arguing with them can be entertaining, granted. It’s fun to watch them trot out the same dreary arguments every single freaking time, and then act all martyred when their bizarre reasoning is shot down with alacrity by rational people who’ve heard it all dozens of times before. But there are other tools to use; ridicule, I think, is going to be big for a while. Anger responds to anger, but doesn’t know how to deal with being laughed at. And you gotta admit, these eejits are funny. I’m through treating them as if they have anything worthwhile to say on the subject of gay rights, just as I’d never get into a political debate with a five-year-old. They’re not going to understand your arguments, and they’re not going to change their minds. Contempt is the only emotion they rate, and they barely rate that. They live for your outrage; like a monkey flinging its feces at passers-by, they hurl their excrement all over the boards to get your attention, to make them feel as if they have affected you. Arguing with the monkeys just makes them fling more shit. I advocate a program of ridicule. Point, laugh, and make fun, and maybe, if we’re lucky, they’ll head back to their little lairs and we’ll be left to love each other as we will. ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/62 "2002-09-07T04:25:44Z")
Thank you MrVisible. I tend to agree with you about arguing with them…however I like trying to mess with their minds.😃 and your post is now posted at my friend Lance’s board. [Crzy House](http://www.voy.com/cgi/addpost-12478) ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/63 "2002-09-07T04:26:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally posted by Krisfer the Cat > > Oh except that the Bible also prohibits women from religious discourse. > > Cite please… Well, depending on how literally one wants to read the Bible, you could use 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 as an example. > [@](#): > > 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 > 34As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. > [@](#): > > I saw her post the truth of the Bible. If one wants to know what the Bible (read literally) says about homosexuals, one can pick up the thing and read it. It doesn’t need to be posted constantly. > [@](#): > > Remember **His4ever** , As long as you have Jesus, it doesn’t matter what these people think of you. It might help to be tactful when you’re trying to spread the Gospel. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/64 "2002-09-07T04:29:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > After all **Jarbabyj** , the Devil believes in Jesus too, he is not going to receive eternal life in Gods kingdom. > If you cannot follow Gods rules, then how can you love him like the “ULTIMATE COMMANDMENT” says to? Speak of the monkeys, and the monkeys appear. Heya, **JD**. Burned any witches lately? Or is that one of those inconvenient biblical passages you people ignore? > [@](#): > > I didn’t see **H4E** say she hates gays! I tell my daughter when she is wrong because I love her, I don’t want her to get into trouble and I don’t want her to make a fool out of herself. > \*\* NOT BECAUSE I HATE HER\*\*. > **Dreamer** , my daughter may think I am being “mean and hateful” when I tell her she can’t play with the rabid dog, but she doesn’t understand there is a reason behind me saying no. I doesn’t matter if she thinks I am being mean, all that matters is that she knows better now. If she chooses to play with rabid dogs when she is 20, it is up to her. I’m 37; can I play with whoever I want now? And I didn’t know you were everybody’s mom; you must get around. And if you think gay sex is the equivalent of playing with a rabid dog, you’re doing it wrong. Or very, very right… > [@](#): > > I don’t know about **H4E** , but I care more about how highly things “rate” with God, not with you. I hate to break it to you, but God gave your post a C-. You really need to work on your coherence, as well as your bibilical interpretation skills. You can, however turn in some genuine caring for your fellow human beings for extra credit, if you want to pull your grade up. And of course I can speak for God; I have just the same authority to do so as you do. More, in fact, as I make sense. > [@](#): > > Remember **His4ever** , As long as you have Jesus, it doesn’t matter what these people think of you. Actually, if you didn’t have Jesus it still wouldn’t matter what we thought of you. Unless, of course, the accusations that have been made here ring true in your case. In which case, Jesus doesn’t like you much anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/65 "2002-09-07T04:34:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Remember **His4ever** , As long as you have Jesus, it doesn’t matter what these people think of you. \*\* Well if she has Jesus does that mean the rest of us have to divy up the Apostles? Or is that disciples… hell I never could get them straight… umm that wasn’t a request for clarification BTW Dibbs on St. John… ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/66 "2002-09-07T04:39:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrVisible \* > And if you think gay sex is the equivalent of playing with a rabid dog, you’re doing it wrong. Or very, very right… I have to admit I was wondering about that mention of a rabid dog and considered asking **JD** about that. But I decided it wasn’t worth it to me to get into that with her. As for having Jesus on your side … I wonder if **H4e** does? Remember the kind of company he kept and the people you ( **H4e** ) spurn. Not for anything they necessarily do, incidentally. Just because of who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/67 "2002-09-07T04:40:17Z")
Hmph, if anything bothers me about **His4Ever** , it’s that whole “maybe I should keep my mouth shut about this, since I know you all just want to censor me…” crap. Geez, woman, if you feel strongly about something, stop being such a wimp! But for a few minor rules of decorum, nobody here is censoring you, including all the times you get insulted. If anything, you should stay in the Pit and cut loose with all the pillow-biting and gerbil-stuffing remarks as fast as you can type them. Let the good times roll! Incidentally, I thought the original post was a pretentious piece of crap. I mean, writing in the second person? PuhLEEZE. ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/68 "2002-09-07T04:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > > **Dreamer** , my daughter may think I am being “mean and hateful” when I tell her she can’t play with the rabid dog, but she doesn’t understand there is a reason behind me saying no. I doesn’t matter if she thinks I am being mean, all that matters is that she knows better now. If she chooses to play with rabid dogs when she is 20, it is up to her. I also didn’t see **H4E** condemn **joe blow, joe shmoe, and jane doe** to hell! I saw her post the truth of the Bible. **JerseyDiamond** , I understand what you’re saying and I started [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=134384) thread in Great Debates to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/69 "2002-09-07T04:46:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > Incidentally, I thought the original post was a pretentious piece of crap. I mean, writing in the second person? PuhLEEZE. PuhLEEZE tell me that was sarcasm or … something. Accusing **MrVisible** of homophobia is about on par with accusing **Guinastasia** of being anti-Catholic or accusing **matt\_mcl** or **Esprix** or **Hastur** of being anti-gay. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/70 "2002-09-07T05:16:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Thylacine \* > I presume the mods wouldn’t allow anyone to say “black people should be slaves, Genesis 9:24-25 says so!” and get away with it Certainly, they would be permitted to say exactly that. You don’t get to call people epithets, but you’ll find that all kinds of whacked-out positions are tolerated by the administration here–though the members would instantly eviscerate the dumbass. Kinda like what happened here. Oh, and **punha** –definite sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/71 "2002-09-07T05:21:40Z")
I wasn’t accusing anyone of homophobia. What post were YOU reading? I did, however, find the original post to be a touch sanctimonious and pretentious. “Your hatred is no longer acceptable.” ? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/72 "2002-09-07T05:34:44Z")
Why are we bothering to grace JerkyDiamond and Clueless4Ever with a pit thread? They have both shown themselves to be intolerant. They believe that there is ONE TRUE WORD, and that the Bible they read is the unaltered word of their diety. They use this to support their bigotries, even when it comes to themselves being discriminated against. What is their to debate with people like that? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/73 "2002-09-07T05:35:17Z")
I was reading your post, **Bryan**. An OP that talked to people who are homophobes. Taking your post to mean that **MrVisible** was talking about himself was what you seemed to me to be saying. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/74 "2002-09-07T05:49:07Z")
It wasn’t sarcasm? Color me 😕 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/75 "2002-09-07T06:09:21Z")
I couldn’t figure it out either, **minty green** , without having to assume either that **Bryan** was joking or that he’s an ass. And given that I know next to nothing about him (which means I have no reason to think he’s an ass), I was hoping it was some joke I missed. Maybe what he meant by that “second person” bit was that in his opinion the OP would have been better by saying “We aren’t going to take any more of your unfounded bigotry and hatred”? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/76 "2002-09-07T06:16:43Z")
Woah, woah, guys. Before you jump on **Bryan** , you should remember what ‘second person’ means: using the pronoun ‘you’ in writing. **Bryan** ’s calling it pretentious because **MrVisible** is using ‘you’ without meaning anyone in particular. I think. But he was in no way implying that the OP included himself with homophobes. I personally like the OP, but there’s no need to jump someone’s shit over a misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/77 "2002-09-07T06:24:08Z")
How ironic would it be if I were to say to you, **Bayle** , “Did you read my post?”🙂 “Maybe what he meant by that “second person” bit was that in his opinion the OP would have been better by saying “We aren’t going to take any more of your unfounded bigotry and hatred”?” I.E. I know what the second person is, as is fairly easy to conclude from this quoted portion of my previous post:) ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/78 "2002-09-07T06:33:28Z")
THYLACINE – > [@](#): > > I presume the mods wouldn’t allow anyone to say “black people should be slaves, Genesis 9:24-25 says so!” I wouldn’t bet on it. You’d be surprised what people are allowed to post; the mods are (thankfully) pretty big on free speech and open debate around here. A thread that said “All [whatever] must die!” would be closed in a New York minute, but a thread that opened [whatever – racism, homophobia, the inferiority of women, the superiority of the Tug Ahoy[sup]TM[/sup]] up to debate would likely be allowed. That’s because the Teeming Millions do a credible job of exposing bullshit when they see it. GOBEAR and HOMEBREW – Thanks. :o SHODAN – > [@](#): > > Pathetic. Now His4ever is responsible for racism, the oppression of women, and child abuse. No one ever said this. _No one._. What THYCALINE asserted (wrongly, IMO) is that homophobia is tolerated here when racism is not. She never said H4E had anything to do with racism; she said H4E’s statements about homosexuality are akin to statements a racist might make about persons of another race. This is twice you have totally misrepresented what other posters have said regarding H4E in your zeal to defend her. This puzzles me. I know you’re a smart guy; why do you do that? JERSEY – > [@](#): > > Jarbabyj, the following is the “ULTIMATE COMMANDMENT”: “36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment.” How interesting that you cite only part of that powerful passage from Mark – and not, IMO the important part. The entire passage says: > [@](#): > > One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, whichis the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.; There is no commandment greater than these.” > > “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but Him. To love Him wiith all your heart, and with all your understanding, and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” > > When Jesus say that he had answered wisely, He said to him: “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions. Mark 22:28-34. Allow me to point out a couple of things to you here: First, the commandment Jesus quotes ("Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is One . . . ") is an OT commandment. Deut. 6:4-5. To that OT commandment, Jesus adds the NT commandment: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. This is not as important as loving God, but it is pretty darn close. Jesus says "There is no commandment greater than **these** – meaning both of them. The man to whom He speaks also reinforces that _both_ commandments are of extreme import, and they are linked together. Second, both the OT and the NT command that we love God not just with our hearts but with our **minds** and with our **understanding**. I would respectfully suggest that blindly following the printed word with no care to what it might really be intended to mean, and with no care to how it may affect your brothers and sisters and neighbors, is not really following this commandment at all. God does not want sheep. Faith is not the same as unthinking adherence to dogma. Third, since when does loving God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength mean that it’s okay to alienate your neighbors from His love by taking it upon yourself to judge them? The love of God does not require the spiritual condemnation of men – even if that was your perogative, which it is not. So maybe you and H4E ought to re-read this passage in Mark and _think_ about it, before you presume to correct JAR on what is an essentially correct point. > [@](#): > > If you cannot follow Gods rules, then how can you love him like the “ULTIMATE COMMANDMENT” says to? Oh, c’mon. (A) You don’t follow “God’s rules;” you follow some of them, selectively, but you discard others as not being “moral” or as being “overruled.” What sophistry is this? Loving God requires just that: That you love him, with all your heart, soul, mind, body, and spirit, and that you seek to do His will as it is given to you to understand it – not as some uninformed fundie tells you you must. (B) You are aware, are you not, that the Greek for “born again” here can just as legitimately be translated as “born from above”? Meaning, a new life in the fullness of the love of God. Of course you were, a Biblical quoter like yourself. © When your daughter disobeys you, does that mean she doesn’t love you? You conflate love and obedience, so that one may not have one without the other? (D) You have no priviledge to tell anyone they are or are not following the rules of God; for all you know, they are following them to the best of their ability and understanding. How can you claim to walk humbly before your God when you’re so busy judging how others walk with Him? Don’t you see a problem there? > [@](#): > > I also didn’t see H4E condemn joe blow, joe shmoe, and jane doe to hell! I saw her post the truth of the Bible. Follow me closely here: **YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS “THE TRUTH” OF THE BIBLE.** Especially when you don’t follow it exactly yourself. You have no greater insight into what it says or means than anyone else here. I disagree with your interpretation, and I find your claim to have “the truth” in this matter presuptuous and arrogant. > [@](#): > > Remember His4ever, As long as you have Jesus, it doesn’t matter what these people think of you. Your arrogance is breathtaking. Such a cold little statement, and just _dripping_ with the love of your neighbor, right? I guess that commandment is one you selectively decide to ignore, like the one about keeping kosher or the one about covering your hair. As was said: **Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will let those enter who are trying to.** That is what you do – you and H4E and everyone else like you. Here endeth the lesson. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/79 "2002-09-07T06:36:47Z")
**MrVisible** … awesome OP. Without addressing any of the **straight supremacists** directly or by name, you drew them out into revealing themselves. The funniest part is that they continue to disavow the title, as you predicted, but they respond to the post anyway. Methinks the **SS** protest too much! And **Jodi** , that was a beautiful post on the previous page. Very eloquent. It’s a reminder of why I read this board. **His4Ever** , **JerseyDiamond** , and the other supporters of hatred here, please feel free to **fuck off**. MrVisible has given you a new title, go get a few buttons made and wear it with pride. The more you post, the more you prove that you are indeed **straight supremacists**. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/80 "2002-09-07T06:45:33Z")
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