# A parting gift for the homophobes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299 "2002-09-06T15:34:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/141 "2002-09-08T03:05:48Z")
Hey, way to assume the conclusion, H4e! And way to avoid the question I posed too! Try to set aside the theology for a moment and answer the darn question for a change: Can you make yourself sexually attracted to another woman? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/142 "2002-09-08T03:09:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*“marriage is considered to be a union between a man and a woman” By whom? And does that mean it ought to be considered such universally? > > What would you say, **H4e** , to two people of the same gender being married (legal bond and all that fun stuff) and having sex? Would that be condoned by God, or is asking that putting too much of a strain on things? \*\* :eek: Actually, yes that’s putting too much strain on things but I’ll try to answer anyway. IMO even if gays were given the right to marry by the government, it would still be wrong because I believe His word says it’s wrong. So allowing gays to legally marry, wouldn’t change anything IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/143 "2002-09-08T03:12:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* > > Actually, God doesn’t condone any sex outside of the bonds of holy matrimony. Any sex outside of marriage (fornication) is wrong in God’s eyes, 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 and 35-38. Gays aren’t married. Of course, you’ll bring up the fact that they can’t marry because the law won’t let them. Well, marriage is considered to be a union between a man and a woman but I suppose you can come up with another meaning. \*\* Marriage is considered that under a legal context in the United States. There are other countries where gays can marry too. I guess there are many meanings, aren’t there? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/144 "2002-09-08T03:14:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Hey, way to assume the conclusion, H4e! And way to avoid the question I posed too! Try to set aside the theology for a moment and answer the darn question for a change: Can you make yourself sexually attracted to another woman? \*\* I have no idea if I could or not. I highly doubt it. That being the case, I do believe that people of the same sex can have feelings for each other and the feelings themselves aren’t necessarily wrong but the actual act of sex with the same sex is. Or any sex outside of marriage. If the emotional feelings turn to lust, however, I believe that would be wrong just as when a man looks on a woman to lust after her, he’s already committed adultery in his heart. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/145 "2002-09-08T03:17:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Therefore this person would consider it wrong to rent to homosexuals or any couple that was not married, for that matter. Nor should they be forced to do so. It would be their property and they shouldn’t have to do something that deliberately violates their beliefs of right and wrong. \*\* “For whatsoever you did to the least of my children, you did to me.” Remember who said that? “Sorry, but I’m not renting to any faggots or fornicators!” Oh, so proud of you Jesus will be! You showed those sinners! You go! Of course, it’s really easy for a Christian, whose **choice** of religion is protected against discrimination by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, to argue **in favor of** housing discrimination on the basis of who is putting what body part where. How . . . con_ven_ient. Don’t the principles of justice and equal protection pretty much **demand** that you be in favor of giving homosexuals the same legal protections you enjoy? Before you answer (and don’t even thinking about whipping out “this is a Christian country,” because you will get taken to school, big time) consider that your friend Paul the Apostle tells you to follow the laws of your earthly governments. (Romans 13:1-2) ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/146 "2002-09-08T03:18:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* > > :eek: Actually, yes that’s putting too much strain on things but I’ll try to answer anyway. IMO even if gays were given the right to marry by the government, it would still be wrong because I believe His word says it’s wrong. So allowing gays to legally marry, wouldn’t change anything IMHO. \*\* So, on that basis of **what you believe** , people should be denied rights. What an amazing specimen of your faith you are. Is “judge not lest ye be judged” COMPLETELY ALIEN to you? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/147 "2002-09-08T03:23:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* > > If the emotional feelings turn to lust, however, I believe that would be wrong just as when a man looks on a woman to lust after her, he’s already committed adultery in his heart. \*\* Bugger. Guess we’re all doomed then. (Oh, I’m presuming it’s also sinful for a woman to lust after a man.) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/148 "2002-09-08T03:28:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > I do believe that people of the same sex can have feelings for each other and the feelings themselves aren’t necessarily wrong And what would you call someone who is sexually attracted to a member of their gender? I.E. me being attracted to, say, **Homebrew**. What would I be if I were attracted _only_ to men? Oh. One other question while I have your attention (and thanks for answering the last one). If the church of which you are a member re-evaluated its stance on sexuality and intercourse and all such things and decided it was perfectly natural and okay and part of God’s plan for people not only to _be_ gay, but for men to marry men and for women to marry women, and if the people from whom you draw your conclusions agreed with their reasoning, would your stance change? And a final comment … a very important thing that almost slipped my mind … “it would still be wrong because **I believe** His word says it’s wrong.” Progress, folks. Not “it would still be wrong because His word says it’s wrong”. She believes His word says it. Which is another way of saying (unless I’m reading this wrong) that she could be wrong. It isn’t hopeless:) Unless, of course, I was reading too much into that, in which case I think I’ll just slump in my chair for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Mitchey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/54ee81/32.png) [@Mitchey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mitchey)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/149 "2002-09-08T03:30:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* > > Suppose a Christian owns a rental property. He or she considers that he or she is responsible to God for what goes on in their homes or homes that they own. Therefore this person would consider it wrong to rent to homosexuals or any couple that was not married, for that matter. Nor should they be forced to do so. It would be their property and they shouldn’t have to do something that deliberately violates their beliefs of right and wrong. \*\* Excuse me, but if this good Christian refused to rent to someone because they were homosexual wouldn’t that mean they were passing judgement on them? Jesus may not have spoke about homosexuality but, he did have quiet a bit to say about passing judgement. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/150 "2002-09-08T03:31:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > I have no idea if I could or not. I highly doubt it. Hey, great. Now we’ve established that you believe orientation is not a matter within the individual’s ability to control. I feel like we’re making a little progress here. So, why do you think God would create people who are sexually attracted to people of the same sex–and keep in mind, these are people who cannot simply decide they want to boink people of the opposite sex, as you’ve now conceded–yet simultaneously prohibit them from ever, under any circumstances, acting on that sexual attraction? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/151 "2002-09-08T03:31:43Z")
Hey, **'punha** , how’re _you_ doing? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/152 "2002-09-08T03:48:34Z")
His4ever, try as I might to hate people like you, I can’t. I pity you. Following such bizarre codes of conduct, hating and fearing all that are different and don’t conform to your narrow belief structure seems so limiting. There’s so much more out there in this world. There is so much diversity and beauty out in this world and to condemn it because it differs from you is sad. If it is not hurting anyone, what business is it of yours what someone does or doesn’t do. You might want to take an opportunity to concentrate on bettering your own life and your community than taking a stand against those who differ. But that’s just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/153 "2002-09-08T04:24:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > **I’ve a little something to say on this housing issue, etc. From a Christian’s perspective if they made a law that you couldn’t refuse gays housing that would be discriminatory against a Christians’ right to live their faith according to the Bible and their conscience.** Sorry, there’s no more room at the inn. ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/154 "2002-09-08T05:30:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Suppose a Christian owns a rental property. He or she considers that he or she is responsible to God for what goes on in their homes or homes that they own. Therefore this person would consider it wrong to rent to homosexuals or any couple that was not married, for that matter. Wait a minute here. If I owned an apartment complex you think I should be responsible for what goes on inside every single apartment? You’re saying I would have to turn away people for being gay or being a young couple in love who want to live together? What about people who smoke pot or cheat on their taxes? What about women who have had abortions? What about the people that look at dirty magazines or use curse words? What exactly would you say to these people? “I’m sorry, God says I can only rent to non-sinners”? If that was the case I couldn’t live there either! C’mon **His4ever** , you can’t be serious? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/155 "2002-09-08T05:40:56Z")
**dreamer** , I’m starting to think you’re going to be a positive addition to the boards. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/156 "2002-09-08T05:50:52Z")
And it only took me 980 posts to get you to say that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/157 "2002-09-08T05:52:01Z")
I meant to add a \*\*Thank You \*\* in there too 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/158 "2002-09-08T11:42:12Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Polycarp** _ - > However, neither have you spoken out against the people that would enact into law the prohibitions of Scripture (as you read them) against gay people. I assume by this you mean one of two things - - Every post on the subject of gays must begin with a ritual renunciation of whatever wrongdoing might have been committed by those on your side. Gay posters must start by condemning homosexual rape, gay pedophilia, and unsafe sex; others by condemning political activism against gay rights. Or - Every post has to begin by agreeing with you. Otherwise posters are not entitled to be treatly fairly, and are subject to guilt by association, accusations that they have said things they have not said, that any disapproval of their actions constitutes endorsement of violence against them, etc. Not a point I can agree with. Even in the Pit. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/159 "2002-09-08T13:50:27Z")
Foistly, dreamer, you’ve made it to my list of deeply religious posters that I respect. Nextly, His4ever, you’re a low person. Re your apartment suggestion: I propose that we as a soceity enact a boycott against letting any straight supremacists utilize any products or services that we (the non-idiot sector) control. They have the right to tell the homosexuals that they can’t sleep in the apartments they own. Why don’t we simply say that they have no right to eat the food we grow, the cars we build, the computers we manufacture? Of course, we are the non-idiot sector of the population, so we’re not about to do this. Still, it would do my heart good to have straight supremacists starving in the streets. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2002, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299/160 "2002-09-08T17:29:06Z")
Hi4Ever- you said back on page 2, that " even though people here takes your words as hate,that doesn’t make it so." So…though **you** say homosexuals are sinners only because of their homosexuality,then **that** doesn’t make it so either. vanilla-who is thinking of resigning from Fundieworld. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-parting-gift-for-the-homophobes/127299.md?page=9)