# A perfected Jew **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2007, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375 "2007-10-11T19:36:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slypork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@Slypork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slypork)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/21 "2007-10-11T20:31:05Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] When it comes to perfecting Jews, what would Jesus do? [/QUOTE] You’re right! Faster than a spinning dreidel. More powerful than a nagging yenta. Able to leap tall menorahs in a single bound. It’s Super-Jew! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/22 "2007-10-11T20:32:53Z")
[QUOTE=Li’l Pluck] She wasn’t pushy about it (she didn’t even give me a hard time about being gay–not, mind you, that she endorsed it–and she probably got early on that I was highly resistant to proselytization and that the Southern gentility that Mama passed onto me \*does \* have its limits), and she was genuinely nice, so I spared her the potentially brain-exploding stuff about my being not only a practicing, liberal Jew, but also an atheist one. [/QUOTE] How did she know you were gay? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/23 "2007-10-11T20:41:48Z")
Well, most Christians that I know think everyone should be a Christian. Unless she’s calling for forcible conversion\*, I don’t see that what she’s saying is our of the mainstream, for Christians. It is a proselytizing religion, afterall. \*I don’t see her saying that here, but she has called for the forced conversion of Muslims, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/24 "2007-10-11T20:45:04Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] When it comes to perfecting Jews, what would Jesus do? [/QUOTE] Make sure Kal El’s spaceship lands in Israel. And provide a kryptonite knife for the circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/25 "2007-10-11T20:47:51Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Right. Because it’s people bitching about her on the internet that gets her to keep writing books and giving lectures. Not the people who actually buy her books and attend her lectures. [/QUOTE] It sure isn’t helping. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/26 "2007-10-11T20:50:36Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Make sure Kal El’s spaceship lands in Israel. And provide a kryptonite knife for the circumcision. [/QUOTE] Just make sure it’s green kryptonite, not red. Otherwise SuperJew’s little penis will just turn into a dragon or something. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/27 "2007-10-11T20:51:05Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] Just make sure it’s green kryptonite, not red. Otherwise SuperJew’s little penis will just turn into a dragon or something. [/QUOTE] : crosses legs: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/28 "2007-10-11T20:58:32Z")
Meh. Judaism is somewhat unusual, if not unique, in the belief that there’s no value at all to gaining converts. In the Jewish view, the ethical Gentile stands as high before God as the Chief Rabbi of Israel. But most other religious traditions don’t hold this belief; most espouse varying degrees of “We’re the best, and you need to join us.” Even Buddhism, which doesn’t necessarily seek converts, still avers that the cycle of pain and rebirth will continue for all who do not free themselves of attachment – which is done by following their Eight-Fold Path. I have been willing to criticize Coulter for many of her over-the-top rantings. This is not in that category. If the generic Christian belief is true, then Jews are at risk of not entering heaven by not accepting Christ as their Savior. This is not a new viewpoint, nor is it particularly controversial. ---
**Author:** ![snake\_oil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@snake\_oil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snake_oil)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/29 "2007-10-11T21:02:40Z")
[QUOTE=Anaamika] : crosses legs: [/QUOTE] I’ve seen your picture. I think you’re safe. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/30 "2007-10-11T21:08:13Z")
> [@](#): > > COULTER: No, we think – we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. Hell, I’d like some _Christians_ to be perfected! Damned if I know why they’re expecting Jews to go where they won’t. I used to hear the expression “_completed_ Jews” for those that had accepted Christ as their savior. Which at least made some weak sort of sense: to whatever extent that Jews are theoretically waiting on a Messiah, they could be said to be ‘completed’ by accepting that their Messiah was already here. But ‘perfected’?? Christians don’t believe accepting Christ makes them perfect, so WTF is _that_ about? ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/31 "2007-10-11T21:09:03Z")
[QUOTE=snake oil] I’ve seen your picture. I think you’re safe. [/QUOTE] Would you mind explaining this? I’ve read it over three times and I can’t seem to parse it in any way that doesn’t make you into a flaming asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/32 "2007-10-11T21:09:50Z")
[QUOTE=snake oil] I’ve seen your picture. I think you’re safe. [/QUOTE] Confusing her with Ann Coulter, I see. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/33 "2007-10-11T21:11:35Z")
Doesn’t every Christian believe this? I don’t mean to sound daft, but if a person calls himself/herself a Christian, doesn’t he believe that a person MUST come to believe in Christ or suffer an eternity in hell? This would mean Jews, Muslims, non-believers, etc? Instead of bashing Ann Coulter, why not bash all of Christianity (or the other religions for that matter?) ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/34 "2007-10-11T21:17:02Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] Instead of bashing Ann Coulter, why not bash all of Christianity (or the other religions for that matter?) [/QUOTE] Hi, you must be new here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/35 "2007-10-11T21:19:58Z")
Ignore this post. Read the next one, though, it’s awesome… ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/36 "2007-10-11T21:21:12Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] Would you mind explaining this? I’ve read it over three times and I can’t seem to parse it in any way that doesn’t make you into a flaming asshole. [/QUOTE] Charitably, he could be pointing out the trivial fact that **Anaamika** is not SuperJew, nor even Superman, nor even any man, and thus, being not empenised, so to speak, she is in no danger of having hers turn into a dragon. But, yeah, I’m not sure. He could just be ridiculously assholish, and have intended to say what it sounds like he’s saying. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/37 "2007-10-11T21:23:46Z")
> [@snake oil](#): > > [Quote=Anaamika] > : crosses legs: I’ve seen your picture. I think you’re safe. [/quote] Now, that wasn’t very nice, was it? ☹ :mad: … And, I might say, untrue, to boot! ( 😉 to **Mika** ) [QUOTE=brownie55] I’d link to my picture, but modesty forbids… [/QUOTE] Hey, stole my thunder… I came in here originally to say something like that! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/38 "2007-10-11T21:27:59Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] Doesn’t every Christian believe this? I don’t mean to sound daft, but if a person calls himself/herself a Christian, doesn’t he believe that a person MUST come to believe in Christ or suffer an eternity in hell? This would mean Jews, Muslims, non-believers, etc? Instead of bashing Ann Coulter, why not bash all of Christianity (or the other religions for that matter?) [/QUOTE] Actually, I don’t think they do all believe that, but as I was never much of a Christian, I may not be the best authority for that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/39 "2007-10-11T21:28:30Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] Doesn’t every Christian believe this? I don’t mean to sound daft, but if a person calls himself/herself a Christian, doesn’t he believe that a person MUST come to believe in Christ or suffer an eternity in hell? This would mean Jews, Muslims, non-believers, etc? [/QUOTE] No, quite a few Christians believe that any sufficiently moral person can make it through the Pearly Gates, regardless of their relationship with Christ. And there’s a good number of Christians who don’t believe in the concept of Hell at all. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375/40 "2007-10-11T21:29:00Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] Doesn’t every Christian believe this? I don’t mean to sound daft, but if a person calls himself/herself a Christian, doesn’t he believe that a person MUST come to believe in Christ or suffer an eternity in hell? This would mean Jews, Muslims, non-believers, etc? [/QUOTE] A lot of Christians believe this, but far from all of them. The New Testament itself is unclear on the subject. It provides room to believe that one must accept Christ in this lifetime or go to Hell. Or to believe that ‘good’ nonbelievers may be saved at the end of time, even if they don’t accept Christ in this life. Or that all will ultimately be saved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfected-jew/422375.md?page=3)