# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 169
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3365 "2021-11-09T04:20:13Z")
They are counting on a pardon from John F Kennedy Jr after he returns from the dead. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3366 "2021-11-09T04:27:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > However it all seems somewhat abstract until one of these boyos faces some consequences for failing to show up . . . or better still, until someone starts spilling some serious shit (_with_ documents!) about the Top Dog Orange Bossy Man. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3367 "2021-11-09T17:14:25Z")
Trump apparently reacted to his minions’ failure to keep in him power by threatening to start his own party with blackjack and hookers: > **[Trump told RNC chair he was leaving GOP to create new party, says new book](https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-told-rnc-chair-leaving-gop-create-party/story?id=80979889)** > > In his new book, "Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show," ABC News' Jonathan Karl writes that Donald Trump decided to leave the Republican Party before backing down. > In an angry conversation on his final day as president, [Donald Trump](https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump) told the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee he was leaving the GOP and creating his own political party – and that he didn’t care if the move would destroy the Republican Party, according to a new book by ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl. > > Trump only backed down when Republican leaders threatened to take actions that would have cost Trump millions of dollars, Karl writes his upcoming book, “Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show.”… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3368 "2021-11-09T23:46:07Z")
This is totes normal: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51667570942_3c6b1dc73e_b.jpg "20211109\_174335") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/51667570942/) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3369 "2021-11-10T00:04:48Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > . . . or better still, until someone starts spilling some serious shit ( _with_ documents!) about the Top Dog Orange Bossy Man. And if one does, and remains basically okay…imagine the floodgates that could open! > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > (From the ABC News link in the linked quote: > “Trump only backed down when Republican leaders threatened to take **actions that would have cost Trump** millions of dollars” … Now I am REALLY curious. (About the bolded bit.) Presumably suing him, for…mishandling campaign funds? Something for which they have hard proof??? Hmm… > [@JohnT](#): > > This is totes normal: (Roger Stone post) CaaaaaaaREEEEEEEPy. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3370 "2021-11-10T00:12:15Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > > (From the ABC News link in the linked quote: > > > > > “Trump only backed down when Republican leaders threatened to take **actions that would have cost Trump** millions of dollars” … > > Now I am REALLY curious. (About the bolded bit.) > > Presumably suing him, for…mishandling campaign funds? Something for which they have hard proof??? From that same article, how they could have cost Trump millions: > [@](#): > > According to the book, “McDaniel and her leadership team made it clear that if Trump left, the party would immediately stop paying legal bills incurred during [post-election challenges](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2020-trump-campaign-election-lawsuits-stand/story?id=74041748).” > > “But, more significant, the RNC threatened to render Trump’s most valuable political asset worthless,” Karl writes, referring to “the campaign’s list of the email addresses of forty million Trump supporters.” > > “It’s a list Trump had used to generate money by renting it to candidates at a steep cost,” says the book. “The list generated so much money that party officials estimated that it was worth about $100 million.” > > Five days after revealing plans that could have destroyed his own political party on that last flight aboard Air Force One, Karl writes, Trump backed down, saying he would remain a Republican after all. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3371 "2021-11-10T00:12:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > > [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > > (From the ABC News link in the linked quote: > > > > > “Trump only backed down when Republican leaders threatened to take **actions that would have cost Trump** millions of dollars” … > > Now I am REALLY curious. (About the bolded bit.) They threatened to withhold access to their massive donor list. That list alone is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to trump and his grifters. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3372 "2021-11-10T00:17:53Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > They threatened to withhold access to their massive donor list. That list alone is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to trump and his grifters. The way I interpreted that article (from the excerpt I posted just above), I thought it was sort of the opposite: Trump’s campaign owned and controlled the massive list in question, and rented it to other GQP candidates at exorbitant cost. But if Trump left the party, that list would then become useless, costing Trump all the profit that he could have continued making from it. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3373 "2021-11-10T00:23:51Z")
I think both of them are lying. But somebody was going to get screwed out of the list and it would all end up in court. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3374 "2021-11-10T00:28:50Z")
I find it amusing that there is a list of suckers and rubes that everyone is fighting over. Fucking con-men, the lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3375 "2021-11-10T00:53:01Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > The way I interpreted that article (from the excerpt I posted just above), I thought it was sort of the opposite: Trump’s campaign owned and controlled the massive list in question, and rented it to other GQP candidates at exorbitant cost. But if Trump left the party, that list would then become useless, costing Trump all the profit that he could have continued making from it. Yes, I think this has to be it. If the RNC owned the list, how could Trump be selling it? Still, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher. If Trump started his own party it would presumably be supported by many (if not most) of the people on The List—so he’d be able to go on selling the list to candidates who decided to run under the Trump Party banner. They’d be appealing to the same basic type of voter. Anyway, thanks to those who posted such swift answers to my question! (The part about RNC declining to go on paying legal costs for Trump does ring very true as something that would scare him.) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3376 "2021-11-10T00:55:37Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Anyway, thanks to those who posted such swift answers to my question! (The part about RNC declining to go on paying legal costs for Trump does ring very true as something that would scare him.) That surprised me. Why in hell is RNC paying Trump’s idiotic legal costs? Does this refer to all the bogus suits filed between the election and January? Who pays for all that shit anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3377 "2021-11-10T00:56:42Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Why in hell is RNC paying Trump’s idiotic legal costs? Does this refer to all the bogus suits filed between the election and January? … I’d like to know the answer to that, too. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3378 "2021-11-10T01:14:19Z")
As per [this article](https://campaignlegal.org/update/who-paying-trumps-lawsuits-and-recounts) from almost exactly a year ago, > [@](#): > > […] legal costs are continuing to pile up in the wake of Election Day, with the Trump campaign filing longshot lawsuits across the country and recounts planned in multiple states. […] > > For the most part, these legal and recount expenses will be covered by the Republican National Committee (RNC) and the Trump campaign. The money will likely be drawn from three separate sources. > > First, the RNC (as well as its Democratic counterpart, the Democratic National Committee (DNC)), has a segregated account for legal and recount expenses. The RNC’s and DNC’s legal accounts can accept individual donations of up to $106,500 each. > > Over the past few years, the RNC and the DNC have raised countless millions for their legal accounts, in part through wealthy donors writing six- or seven-figure checks to [joint fundraising committees](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/08/what-are-joint-fundraising-committees-and-how-are-they-helping-trump/) like Trump Victory, with a portion of those checks deposited into the party’s legal account. […] > > Trump has been fundraising furiously since the election, with emails and texts almost hourly soliciting contributions to Trump’s “[official election defense fund](https://secure.winred.com/tmagac/election-defense-fund-cond?amount=5&amt1=5&amt2=10&amt3=15&amt4=20&amt5=100&amt6=500&amt7=2800&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ET_16&utm_campaign=20201109_84442_2020-election-defense-messaging-you-rs2-lpd-nd-gm_presidenttrumpandvicepresidentpence_tmagac&utm_content=gop_direct-ask_image_contribute_main_5_nd)” or the “[election defense task force](https://politicalemails.org/messages/296248).” But in the week following the election, the fine print on the fundraising appeals showed that [60% of all donations](https://secure.winred.com/tmagac/election-defense-fund-cond?amount=5&amt1=5&amt2=10&amt3=15&amt4=20&amt5=100&amt6=500&amt7=2800&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ET_16&utm_campaign=20201109_84442_2020-election-defense-messaging-you-rs2-lpd-nd-gm_presidenttrumpandvicepresidentpence_tmagac&utm_content=gop_direct-ask_image_contribute_main_5_nd)would go toward paying down Trump’s 2020 campaign debt. […] > > On Nov. 10, the small print changed: now [60% of every donation](https://secure.winred.com/tmagac/election-defense-task-force-cond) goes to Trump’s new leadership PAC, “Save America.” […] > > The remainder of every check, 40% goes to the RNC, up to the legal maximum of $35,500. My guess is that if Trump ceases to be a Republican, the RNC ceases to spend its legal account funds to support his campaign lawsuits. Presumably the RNC also ceases getting a cut from Trump PAC donations, but IANA campaign finance expert. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3379 "2021-11-10T01:16:27Z")
“When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional.” - Hunter S. Thompson Fits for both of them I think. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3380 "2021-11-10T01:31:15Z")
I’m waiting for Lincoln Project to start the “Trump blinked” commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3381 "2021-11-10T14:22:18Z")
Heheheheh: > **[Federal judge denies Trump's attempt to withhold records from January 6...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/trump-documents-january-6-committee-national-archives-judge-ruling/index.html)** > > A federal judge will allow the US House to access hundreds of pages of documents from Donald Trump's presidency leading up to and about the January 6 attack at the US Capitol, in a forceful rejection of Trump's recent attempts to control information... ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3382 "2021-11-10T14:40:51Z")
We’ll see if anything comes of more subpoenas. Bear in mind Bannon openly blew off his subpoena and was referred to the Dept of Justice for prosecution. That was _three weeks_ ago and not a damned thing has happened. One gets the impression that the days when congress had any actual authority are over. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3383 "2021-11-10T14:57:23Z")
Stall and Appeal has been an effective strategy for Trump and Co. for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3384 "2021-11-10T15:20:39Z")
He does have a weird sort of Stalin appeal… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=168) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=170)