# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 174
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3465 "2021-11-19T02:25:31Z")
Chase bank folded like a cheap suit, but the delay still caused the event to be cancelled. > **[Despite Chase Bank reversal, Donald Trump Jr. event in St. Charles remains...](https://missouriindependent.com/2021/11/18/despite-chase-bank-reversal-donald-trump-jr-event-in-st-charles-remains-canceled/)** > > A Missouri conservative group will postpone a speech from Donald Trump Jr. despite a reversal from Chase Bank saying it will broker tickets. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3466 "2021-11-19T05:20:05Z")
Yeah, the state Treasurer of Missouri said that if Chase cancels Don Jr. they will cancel Chase, because. > State Treasurer Scott Fitzpatrick on Thursday issued a news release that the reversal came after he wrote a letter to Chase CEO Jamie Dimon that the state will not do business with the bank “or any other financial institution that discriminates against customers based on mainstream political ideology so long as that discrimination continues.” Which effectively concedes that “hate, violence, racial intolerance, terrorism, the financial exploitation of a crime, or items or activities that encourage, promote, facilitate, or instruct others regarding the same” are mainstream political ideology for the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3467 "2021-11-19T05:24:15Z")
[More](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/18/two-iranians-charged-by-feds-in-election-interference-to-aid-trump-.html) election/voter fraud shenanigans. Two Iranians charged with trying to threaten people into voting for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3468 "2021-11-19T05:39:20Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Which effectively concedes that “hate, violence, racial intolerance, terrorism, the financial exploitation of a crime, or items or activities that encourage, promote, facilitate, or instruct others regarding the same” are mainstream political ideology for the Republican party. The Missouri State Treasurer’s tissue-paper-weight stance is that the Defense of Liberty PAC does not engage in those things. It’s called implausible deniability. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3469 "2021-11-19T05:56:39Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The Missouri State Treasurer’s tissue-paper-weight stance is that the Defense of Liberty PAC does not engage in those things. It’s called implausible deniability. How dare you destroy my lovely bon mot with pesky accuracy! In the pit no less! Grumble Grumble. 😠 > [@Superdude](#): > > [More](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/18/two-iranians-charged-by-feds-in-election-interference-to-aid-trump-.html) election/voter fraud shenanigans. Two Iranians charged with trying to threaten people into voting for Trump. It’s hard to say which side they were actually hoping to support. Their attempts were pretty ham handed and would if anything probably make people more likely to vote against Trump. They claimed to be proud boys. So it might have been a false flag operation tp discredit the proud boys. Most likely I think it was just following Putins lead (not saying that he had any influence on them) and were just trying to generate chaos and sow division in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3470 "2021-11-19T06:18:31Z")
O. M. G. I just found this insane document written by Patrick Byrne - insane former owner of overstock. com and [ex-boyfriend](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/12/14/a-tycoons-deep-state-conspiracy-dive) of Russian spy Maria Butina - it always seems to come back to Russia, doesn’t it? It’s this weird autobiographical account of his efforts to overthrow the 2020 election, a piece of bizarro world fan fiction. Sidney Powell is a brilliant lawyer, Michael Flynn is a genius strategist, Trump is an organized and effective businessman with heart and Rudy……well Rudy is a blithering drunken idiot in all universes, I guess. It’s very long, and broken into chapters. I’ve included a separate link to each chapter.( If you don’t think you’ll be inclined to read the whole thing, jump to Chapter 3. You have to read it I can’t adequately describe its insane pretentiousness. For example, upon entering the White House with Sidney Powell and Mike Flynn, he says: _”I was the last one through and as they (the Secret Service manning the checkpoint) handed my ID back to me one leaned in and said quietly and intimately “Thank you, Mr. Byrne”. I was surprised, and it was the first time I understood that in the constellation of Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell, there was a faint little star of my own._ Dude, he just saw your ID two seconds ago, remember? In [Chapter One](https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/november-3-december-23-all-the-presidents-teams/-) Our heroes join up with Rudy Guiliani’s effort to expose the fraud, which they eventually find despite the bumbling of Rudy and some person that Byrne HATES whom he refers to only as Mediocrity. I’m pretty sure it’s Jenna Ellis. New fun fact - previously undisclosed, I think - Rudy called Sidney and Patrick Byrne and told them to fly to Georgia and tamper with some voting machines he’d managed to get his hands on. But when they got to Georgia, someone just drove them around from precinct to precinct - continually promising them paperwork and voting machines at the next stop. This went in for a ridiculously long amount of time, until they saw a heavy police response heading to the building they’d just left. Then they went home. [Chapter Two](https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-2-was-there-foreign-interference-in-this-election-you-make-the-call/) is a gish-gallop of technobabble that purports to be evidence of international election fraud. I recommend not bothering. [Chapter Three](https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-3-crashing-the-white-house-december-18/) Having found the fraud, our heroes get frustrated that no one will listen to them. They cleverly talk their way into the White House ( seriously, someone should look into this, they had inside help) without an appointment and make it into Trump’s office, where they present their plan for exposing the fraud and vindicating Trump. There they do battle with evil White House lawyers who are secretly trying to get Trump to concede. I recommend reading this chapter first. Fun fact : They DID succeed in getting Trump to appoint Sidney Powell as special counsel. Really. White House staff slow-walked it until it went away but Trump actually made the appointment. [Chapter Four](https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-4-the-christmas-doldrums-december-23-noon-january-6/) The heroes hit the road for a Mar-a-Largo Christmas, which they mostly spend outside Mar-a-Largo trying to get in. But a security guard recognized Patrick Byrne and thanked him for helping to overthrow the election as he escorted him off the property. Then there’s more fraud finding and an FBI cover-up. It ends on January 6th, as our frustrated heroes finally realize that Trump doesn’t get that this isn’t about him. Even if you don’t want to plow through the chapter, the part towards the end where they find thousands of pounds of shredded ballots and watch helplessly as the FBI executes a cover-up right in front of them is comedy gold. [Chapter Five](https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-5-the-chaos-january-6-20/) The January 6th insurrection was totally staged, maybe by antifa. But our heroes gave it one last shot, meeting Rudy and Friends one last time and giving them their secret plan to overturn the election again. But Rudy (or someone else at the meeting) gave Byrne a going away present -Covid- and by the time he got better Biden was President. I seriously wonder if Butina slipped Byrne some drug that mentally unhinged him while they were dating. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3471 "2021-11-19T06:32:52Z")
Thank you for the summary. Some evening when I want my eyes to bleed and blood pressure to elevate; I’ll read “in depth.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3472 "2021-11-19T14:29:34Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The Missouri State Treasurer’s tissue-paper-weight stance is that the Defense of Liberty PAC does not engage in those things. It’s called implausible deniability. In Christopher Buckley’s political satire _The White House Mess_, one character says of some official pronouncement, “That’s not a tissue of lies. It’s an industrial broadloom _carpet_ of lies.” And this story made me smile: [https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/politics/trump-desantis-relationship/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/politics/trump-desantis-relationship/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3473 "2021-11-19T14:41:32Z")
She probably won’t get a Mar-A-Lago Christmas card this year: > **[Head of RNC says Biden won 2020 election, the first time she's clearly...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/ronna-mcdaniel-joe-biden/index.html)** > > Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said Thursday she recognizes President Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States, even as she claimed there were "lots of problems" with the 2020 election that Republican candidates... ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3474 "2021-11-19T20:50:56Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > The Missouri State Treasurer’s tissue-paper-weight stance is that the Defense of Liberty PAC does not engage in those things. It’s called implausible deniability. This is where Facebook style takedowns take (reasonable) heat. If WePay had made a _specific_ description, with _documented_ evidence, it would have been far more useful. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3475 "2021-11-19T21:55:11Z")
> even as she claimed there were “lots of problems” with the 2020 election that Republican candidates should address. The problems were: 1. Black people voted 2. Trump didn’t win A lot of republicans voted for their dead relatives, but that is a minor concern. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3476 "2021-11-20T01:17:03Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > She probably won’t get a Mar-A-Lago Christmas card this year: > > [https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/ronna-mcdaniel-joe-biden/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/ronna-mcdaniel-joe-biden/index.html) Maybe for the best: all Mar-A-Lago Christmas cards come postage-due, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3477 "2021-11-20T01:18:52Z")
Side bar: can’t presidents frank letters instead of paying for postage? I don’t know if that extends to ex-presidents… ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3478 "2021-11-20T01:22:44Z")
Looks as though they can.\* My out here: Trump is too lazy to sign all those envelopes (which seems to be the way it works). - > **[Franking Privilege: Historical Development and Options for Change](https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL34274.html)** > > The franking privilege, which allows Members of Congress to transmit mail matter under their signature without postage, has existed in... ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3479 "2021-11-21T17:32:07Z")
For your Sunday Shadenfreude [https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/21/politics/fact-check-republicans-voter-fraud-kirk-hartle/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/21/politics/fact-check-republicans-voter-fraud-kirk-hartle/index.html) > The Hartle mystery is now solved. And it turns out that the fraud was committed by a Republican. > > Hartle was married to Las Vegas businessman Donald Kirk Hartle, a registered Republican. In November 2020, Hartle [told](https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-las-vegas-man-who-gop-highlighted-as-case-of-voter-fraud-to-plead-guilty-to-voting-twice-in-2020-election-using-dead-wifes-ballot/) Las Vegas television station 8 News Now (KLAS-TV) that he felt “disbelief” when he found out that a mail-in ballot was submitted in his late wife’s name. It was “pretty sickening,” he said at the time, adding that he didn’t know how it could’ve happened. > > But Hartle had actually cast the phony ballot himself. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3480 "2021-11-21T17:39:37Z")
It might be selective reporting but all the incidences I’ve seen of voter fraud have been Republicans committing it. Maybe they’re so inept they’re the ones getting caught. Damn those Deep State operatives. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3481 "2021-11-21T17:42:01Z")
Republicans have more projection than a multiplex. “They are committing fraud! We know they are, because we’re doing it!” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3482 "2021-11-21T18:25:29Z")
I wonder how popular the name “Donald” will be among baby Republicans this year. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3483 "2021-11-21T21:45:35Z")
Pshaw. Donald’s star has been fading lately. The “killer” Republican name this (and next) year will be . . . (wait for it . . . ) . . . Kyle. (ETA: And for Donald himself, of course, _that’s_ schadenfreude!) ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/3484 "2021-11-22T00:41:08Z")
The Donald only claimed he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and get away with it. Kyle actually delivered. All hail our new saint. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=173) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=175)