# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/701 "2021-02-01T10:01:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Between this and Dominion and not getting paid by Trump, Rudy is going to spend his last days living in a cardboard box on the street at this rate. Ho. Lee. Shit. As a lawyer, I’ve written nasty collection letters to debtors that were nicer than that. That lawyer, and that law firm, pulled no punches in composing that letter; and The Lincoln Project deserves kudos for approving it. Rudy, listen to it–at best, you may be nicely-browned toast; at worst, you’ll be blackened, hockey-puck toast. Either way, you’ll be toast. Maybe you should resign your law license now, before it’s taken away from you. That way, you can retain a little bit of honour, rather than go down in history as a lying liar who is knowingly supporting a lying cheat. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/702 "2021-02-01T10:32:10Z")
That’s some cool snark in that letter. Do real lawyers really write nastygrams like that? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/703 "2021-02-01T10:35:51Z")
I don’t have a link to hand, but if you can find Detroit’s legal action calling for sanctions against Powell, Wood etc for their ludicrous “election fraud” cases, it’s filled with all sorts of fun snark. I doubt it’s common, but these lawyers are aware that these are documents that will have a much wider audience than the usual court officials and other lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/704 "2021-02-01T10:45:51Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > That’s some cool snark in that letter. Do real lawyers really write nastygrams like that? Sometimes. C&D’s like this often have a performative element to them; obviously the language is written in a certain way to guarantee coverage in the media. You see the same sort of thing in Dominion’s defamation complaint, where the first several pages are a fairly informal and accessible litany of Giuliani’s misdeeds, with the specific legal claims coming later in more traditional legalese. High-stakes litigators understand the PR value of a well-written letter. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/705 "2021-02-01T11:11:07Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The Lincoln Project lawyers have responded, and it is a thing of beauty. It is indeed a thing of beauty, and it’s interesting that it goes far, far beyond the kind of letter that a lawyer would write in any ordinary circumstances, which would normally be a clear legal threat wrapped in a veneer of politeness. This pulls all the stops to such an extent that it seems to tauntingly _ **invite** _ a countersuit, and I can see why. Rudy is in it up to his eyeballs, and he’s so inept and so fucking stupid that he doesn’t have a chance of prevailing in either a defense or countersuit. It really is quite delightful. One might describe Rudy as one of the many casualties of Trump’s orange path of destruction, except that Rudy has brought it all on himself. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/706 "2021-02-01T11:17:58Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > This pulls all the stops to such an extent that it seems to tauntingly _ **invite** _ a countersuit, and I can see why. Rudy is in it up to his eyeballs, and he’s so inept and so fucking stupid that he doesn’t have a chance of prevailing in either a defense or countersuit. Hence the footnotes: “Here are all the ways in which you have demonstrated yourself to be a deranged, incompetent idiot, and here are the specific citations for each of them.” Unlike Rudy, they can back up every one of their defamatory statements against him. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/707 "2021-02-01T11:43:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > These particular numbers should be giving GOP Senators pause. But, of course, should the numbers move even more dramatically in the time between now and the vote–and they could, given the evidence the Dems will be presenting on TV screens for days–we could see some of the ‘never hold Trump accountable’ faithful starting to waver. I don’t think it will. The most it would cause them to do is lose elections. I don’t even think it would cause them to lose their primaries due to name recognition. And in the short term, they will be more beholden to their crazy supporters because that’s all they’ll have left and they can’t afford to lose those. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/708 "2021-02-01T13:44:30Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > That way, you can retain a little bit of honour, rather than go down in history as a lying liar who is knowingly supporting a lying cheat. That ship done sailed, sank, and is lying at the bottom of the ocean covered in coral. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/709 "2021-02-01T14:18:04Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I’m picturing a Captain Queeg moment, should Trump attempt to defend himself At the height of his blathering about strawberries, Queeg stopped, realized how crazy he sounded and quickly wrapped up his answer. I can’t picture Trump doing that. ETA. Ha! Just noticed your avatar. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/710 "2021-02-01T14:58:25Z")
i don’t believe many of them are going to be democrats. most are changing to independent. that could lock them out of primaries in some states. this could set up running a taylor greene type in many places. hopefully the smackdown from dem. and indy votes would occur. i wouldn’t want to bet the country on it. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/711 "2021-02-01T15:56:31Z")
Looks like some of the Scots want Agent Orange’s finances investigated as well: > **[Scottish parliament to vote on whether Trump’s golf resort financing should...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trump-scotland-golf-parliament-investigation-b1795774.html)** > > Scottish government under pressure to pursue probe into ‘shadowy’ business dealings > [Scotland](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/scotland)’s MSPs are set to vote on whether the [Nicola Sturgeon](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/nicola-sturgeon)’s government should order an investigation into [Donald Trump](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/donald-trump)’s Scottish golf resorts. > The opposition-led vote at the Scottish parliament is aimed at pressuring the first minister to seek an Unexplained Wealth Order (UWO), amid concerns about the financing behind the Trump Organisation’s resorts. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/712 "2021-02-01T15:58:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > one of their defamatory statements against him The statements are not defamatory if they are true. And they are. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/713 "2021-02-01T15:59:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The statements are not defamatory if they are true. And they are. Sorry, you are correct. They’re merely insulting. And accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/714 "2021-02-02T00:07:33Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > These particular numbers should be giving GOP Senators pause. But, of course, should the numbers move even more dramatically in the time between now and the vote–and they could, given the evidence the Dems will be presenting on TV screens for days–we could see some of the ‘never hold Trump accountable’ faithful starting to waver. > > I don’t think it will. The most it would cause them to do is lose elections. I don’t even think it would cause them to lose their primaries due to name recognition. And in the short term, they will be more beholden to their crazy supporters because that’s all they’ll have left and they can’t afford to lose those. > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i don’t believe many of them are going to be democrats. most are changing to independent. that could lock them out of primaries in some states. > > this could set up running a taylor greene type in many places. hopefully the smackdown from dem. and indy votes would occur. i wouldn’t want to bet the country on it. A lot will depend on the poll numbers (favorability) as well as up-to-date reporting on the voter-registration-changes story. Imagine Gallup et al reporting that Trump “favorable” ratings have dropped to 15% or lower, in the wake of Trump trying to save himself by stating that the Capitol invaders were losers who were NOT following his directions, and he doesn’t know them, and he’s nothing to do with them. (Trump saying that is not unlikely. It’s not as though he feels genuine respect for those people, no matter how much he talked about ‘love’ on the day.) Senators respond to incentives, and if they start to believe that Trump’s fans have deserted him–and will vote accordingly–then that changes their incentives. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/715 "2021-02-03T00:55:28Z")
Bwahaha # Pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood faces allegations of illegal voting[https://www.ajc.com/politics/pro-trump-attorney-lin-wood-faces-allegations-of-illegal-voting/R3VERR2T4BBR7EHJIQ7XMZRZLE/](https://www.ajc.com/politics/pro-trump-attorney-lin-wood-faces-allegations-of-illegal-voting/R3VERR2T4BBR7EHJIQ7XMZRZLE/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/716 "2021-02-03T01:01:35Z")
Wow. That’s going beyond the call of duty to prove election fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/717 "2021-02-03T01:46:54Z")
Wrong thread. (ETA meaning I deleted my mistaken post, not an accusation.) ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/718 "2021-02-03T14:11:02Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > Bwahaha > > # Pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood faces allegations of illegal voting[https://www.ajc.com/politics/pro-trump-attorney-lin-wood-faces-allegations-of-illegal-voting/R3VERR2T4BBR7EHJIQ7XMZRZLE/](https://www.ajc.com/politics/pro-trump-attorney-lin-wood-faces-allegations-of-illegal-voting/R3VERR2T4BBR7EHJIQ7XMZRZLE/) > [@running\_coach](#): > > Wow. That’s going beyond the call of duty to prove election fraud. He really did have first-hand evidence! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/719 "2021-02-03T14:23:10Z")
[Steve Bannon is under investigation by the NY DA’s office](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/nyregion/bannon-vance-fraud-border-wall.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage) on the same fraud charges that he was pardoned for by Trump. Hopefully the state charges will stick. Paul Manafort was let off on state charges after having been pardoned by Trump on the federal ones because of double jeopardy. However, since Bannon was merely indicted rather than convicted I don’t think double jeopardy will apply. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/720 "2021-02-03T15:52:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Paul Manafort was let off on state charges after having been pardoned by Trump on the federal ones because of double jeopardy. However, since Bannon was merely indicted rather than convicted I don’t think double jeopardy will apply. Double jeopardy doesn’t technically apply to convictions in both the state and federal systems. Prosecutors honor the principle as a matter of policy, not law. But, you’re right, Bannon is fair game even under that policy. Jeopardy typically attaches when trial starts. > **[Supreme Court Affirms Exception to Double Jeopardy in a Case With...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/us/politics/supreme-court-double-jeopardy.html)** > > The justices refused to overrule precedents that allow separate prosecutions for the same crimes in state and federal courts. > WASHINGTON — In a decision that could affect associates of President Trump accused of wrongdoing and hoping for pardons, the Supreme Court [ruled on Monday](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-646_d18e.pdf) that criminal defendants may be prosecuted for the same offenses in both federal and state court. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=37)