# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/821 "2021-02-12T05:02:02Z")
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**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/822 "2021-02-13T01:22:08Z")
If this happens, it’d be real sweet: > **[Trump might be forced to give up his biggest cash flow, as rest of his...](https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-businesses-struggle-single-most-100008434.html)** > > Vornado's Steven Roth is mulling withholding cash flow from two buildings Vornado co-owns with Trump, which could make Trump sell his stake at a discount. > The threat, involving a highly profitable real estate partnership that generates significant cash for the Trump Organization, is ratcheting up pressure on the former president as his real estate and hospitality operations [struggle](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html) under hefty debt and vastly reduced revenues, largely a result of the coronavirus pandemic. > The partnership owns two first-class commercial buildings — one on Sixth Avenue in New York City and the other in downtown San Francisco — and it is the single most profitable asset in the Trump empire. The Trump Organization owns a 30 percent stake in the buildings, while its partner, Vornado Realty Trust, a huge public real estate concern in New York City, owns 70 percent. > But now Steven Roth, Vornado’s powerful founder and chairman, is considering whether to withhold the partnership’s cash flows from Trump, said a person familiar with the matter. Such a move would slash the Trump Organization’s cash receipts, and it could force Trump to sell his stake back to Vornado at a discount, leaving him with a smaller gain and eliminating a crucial source of cash. I know jack and shit about real estate stuff like this, but if the pandemic is helping to make his businesses collapse and he’s got a business partner who is willing and able to force the issue, talk about poetic justice. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/823 "2021-02-15T04:03:06Z")
I would _love_ to see that happen. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/824 "2021-02-15T18:11:32Z")
Trump’s defense lawyer’s house was vandalized during the impeachment trial. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-impeachment-lawyer-van-der-veen-home-vandalized](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-impeachment-lawyer-van-der-veen-home-vandalized) While I don’t condone vandalism, I find it hard to feel sorry for this sleazeball. It seems to be perfectly fine when Trumpies pull this shit, so turnabout’s fair play. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/825 "2021-02-15T18:20:56Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > While I don’t condone vandalism, I find it hard to feel sorry for this sleazeball Breaking the guy’s windows and spray-painting his driveway is all kinds of criminal and threatening, and that shit needs to be denounced in the strongest possible terms. However, it’s probably wonderful news to all the delusional right-wing assholes who will now proclaim that this vandalism is JUST AS BAD as engaging in a murderous insurrection attempt on the Capitol, and that the whole Democratic establishment and all US liberals endorsed and demanded it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/826 "2021-02-15T18:34:25Z")
I condemn political violence against _anyone_, even those with whom I strenuously disagree. That way lies anarchy and lawlessness. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/827 "2021-02-15T18:51:43Z")
At least they didn’t set up a gallows on his front lawn and hunt him down with stun guns and flex cuffs and bear spray. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/828 "2021-02-15T18:51:46Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > While I don’t condone vandalism Except in cases where you do. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I condemn political violence against _anyone_ , even those with whom I strenuously disagree. That way lies anarchy and lawlessness. I agree with this “no buts” approach to crime. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/829 "2021-02-15T18:53:51Z")
> **[DC attorney general weighs legal viability of charging Trump under local...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/dc-attorney-trump/index.html)** > > Lawyers inside the Washington, DC, attorney general's office are investigating whether former President Donald Trump's alleged role in the insurrection at the US Capitol violated district law. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/830 "2021-02-15T20:24:13Z")
Agreed. It’s also hypocritical to be angry at a lawyer for defending a man who incited a crowd to go vandalize, terrorize, and engage in political violence, and express that anger by vandalizing his property, terrorizing him, and engaging in political violence against him. Some may argue it’s karma or poetic justice, I argue it’s someone acting just as bad as the rioters on 1/6. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/831 "2021-02-15T20:33:26Z")
I agree. I was all in with the shaming the lawyers that were involved in the Stop The Steal campaign, the lawyers that filed all the bogus election lawsuits. I don’t think anyone has a right to file a frivolous lawsuit, and the characters working with the Trump campaign had an option of not pursuing frivolous litigation. But this is different. I think Donald Trump was entitled to legal representation in his impeachment trial\*, just as I feel every criminal defendant is entitled to legal representation, no matter how heinous the crime, no matter how obvious their guilt. It’s a basic civil right, and even the person that that tried to steal my most basic civil right, the right to have my vote count, gets to have legal representation. ETA \*Yes, I know this wasn’t a criminal trial, but as Trump did not have the option of not going to trial, I think the same principles should apply. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/832 "2021-02-15T22:09:17Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Agreed. It’s also hypocritical to be angry at a lawyer for defending a man who incited a crowd to go vandalize, terrorize, and engage in political violence, and express that anger by vandalizing his property, terrorizing him, and engaging in political violence against him. I also agree. Whatever irony there may be in it is purely academic; the damage (property and psychological) is real. Win by being better people and by continuing to press for accountability and justice. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/833 "2021-02-15T22:25:54Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > > [@Shoeless](#): > > > > While I don’t condone vandalism > > Except in cases where you do. > > > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > > > I condemn political violence against _anyone_ , even those with whom I strenuously disagree. That way lies anarchy and lawlessness. > > I agree with this “no buts” approach to crime. Do not put words in my mouth. Nowhere in my post did I say I thought it was acceptable. Saying that I don’t feel sorry for the guy it happened to doesn’t mean I approve of it. My position is similar to “I wouldn’t wish death on anyone but I’d enjoy reading their obituary.” (Checks thread title) This _is_ the schadenfreude thread, right? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/834 "2021-02-15T22:30:46Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > It seems to be perfectly fine when Trumpies pull this shit, so turnabout’s fair play. Well, I read this as you condoning it. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/835 "2021-02-15T22:45:13Z")
Sounds like it to me too. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/836 "2021-02-16T00:22:15Z")
> [@solost](#): > > I imagine Matt Gaetz is getting his couch ready, just in case: Why am I hearing the opening narration to _The Odd Couple_ show? ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/837 "2021-02-16T00:33:50Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > [@Shoeless](#): > > > > It seems to be perfectly fine when Trumpies pull this shit, so turnabout’s fair play. > > Well, I read this as you condoning it. Eh, you’re right. Objection withdrawn. I should have quit typing after the first sentence. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/838 "2021-02-16T00:45:39Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > I should have quit typing after the first sentence. That might end up being my epitaph… Maybe we can get a special 2-for-1 price on headstones with that carved on them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/839 "2021-02-16T01:44:12Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/GtGaZ4PiQb8/hqdefault.jpg "Homer Sings Odd Couple Theme") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtGaZ4PiQb8) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/840 "2021-02-16T03:19:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Win by being better people and by continuing to press for accountability and justice. They have proven that justice is myth. Something for poor blacks. It doesn’t apply to the rich. It only applies to cops when there is video and public outcry. Even that is not a certainty, [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=43)