# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 456
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9107 "2023-03-09T13:08:14Z")
It must be exhausting to have to be right all the time. I’m getting tired just thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9108 "2023-03-09T13:16:04Z")
It’s pretty much DeSantis’s game: The Libs were wrong about COVID, so why trust anything else they say? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9109 "2023-03-09T15:05:33Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I assumed he surrounded himself with replicants in order to feel normal. Guess he got lucky. “Tortoise? What’s that?” Seriously, your post had me laughing for 5 minutes straight. Well done. And kudos to Atamasama for the setup line. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9110 "2023-03-09T15:38:35Z")
It seems like a bit of a slap on the wrist, censure and a piddly fine: [https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/jenna-ellis-former-trump-attorney/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/jenna-ellis-former-trump-attorney/index.html) > Jenna Ellis was censured by a disciplinary judge in Colorado Wednesday, in the latest effort to hold accountable attorneys who boosted former President Donald Trump’s 2020 election reversal gambits. > > Ellis signed a stipulation stating that several comments she made about the 2020 election violated professional ethics rules barring reckless, knowing or intentional misrepresentations by attorneys, according to documents posted by Colorado’s Office of Attorney Regulation Counsel. As part of the stipulation, Ellis agrees to pay $224. > The Attorney Regulation Counsel’s office had previously indicated it was preparing a charge against Ellis, but with the announcement of the censure, the office said in a statement that it “is not currently pursuing any other charges against Ms. Ellis.” ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9111 "2023-03-09T16:32:34Z")
$224? WTF? Shouldn’t the penalty for this be a little more severe? I’m not feeling nearly enough schadenfreude about this one. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9112 "2023-03-09T16:55:44Z")
Neither am I, but it does shut her up. I’m quite sure that if she tries something like this again, the penalties will be much, much more severe. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9113 "2023-03-09T17:19:49Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > It seems like a bit of a slap on the wrist, censure and a piddly fine: I was going to post that same article with a more or less identical comment. Yeah, I feel like everybody involved in the Big Election Lie should be made a severe example of, every lying lawyer involved should be disbarred, so that this behavior does not become par for the course in American politics. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9114 "2023-03-09T17:30:45Z")
My understanding is that a censure is put on file and is always available to anyone who looks up info on the lawyer. It’s a step above a reprimand but still pretty low on the list of sanctions. From now on, though, anyone who wants to hire her will see that she is in record as a liar and a violator of legal ethics. Probably not a career-ending situation but you probably wouldn’t want this either. I would say it’s probably more than a slap on the wrist. That would be reprimand, which is more of a warning than anything. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9115 "2023-03-09T17:31:17Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > $224? WTF? Seems like an accounting error. Needs two or three more zeros. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9116 "2023-03-09T18:18:03Z")
Sounds to me like a plea deal. (Not saying that it is, just that it sounds like it. You would need to check if her letter includes information against others.) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9117 "2023-03-09T18:44:58Z")
“From now on, though, anyone who wants to hire her will see that she is in record as a liar and a violator of legal ethics.” This will go directly on her resume and be circulated throughout the GQP establishment. I can see her raising her hourly rates substantially. Way too little. PAB’s claptrap about public, televised … ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9118 "2023-03-09T18:56:40Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > From now on, though, anyone who wants to hire her will see that she is in record as a liar and a violator of legal ethics That’s just the kind of lawyer some people are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9119 "2023-03-09T20:13:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > My understanding is that a censure is put on file and is always available to anyone who looks up info on the lawyer. It’s a step above a reprimand but still pretty low on the list of sanctions. “This is going in your permanent record, young lady!” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9120 "2023-03-09T20:17:59Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > That’s just the kind of lawyer some people are looking for. The judge can read it, too, and he might be unwilling to trust the product of your lawyer without a lot of extra hurdles and double-checks. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9121 "2023-03-09T20:26:55Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > “This is going in your permanent record, young lady!” In this case that is _literally_ true. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9122 "2023-03-09T20:48:05Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > That’s just the kind of lawyer some people are looking for. Exactly. One of my former coworkers got five years probation in a plea deal for accounting fraud (his boss, his boss’s boss and his boss’ boss’ boss did federal time). He has had no trouble finding work as an accountant, though his CPA license has been permanently revoked. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9123 "2023-03-09T20:59:59Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > > [@commasense](#): > > > > $224? WTF? > > Seems like an accounting error. Needs two or three more zeros. My thought exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9124 "2023-03-09T22:52:30Z")
Here we go. Gift link: > **[Prosecutors Signal Criminal Charges for Trump Are Likely](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html?unlocked_article_code=6T1Dm12JsuYWaztt4RvJARvMzMeCYSGIw057F-7IuyDcu9TwPTuqu2WyPf3gM41ThoJAg8AIPJRv4K59FGLkrUBCGVyTyCks3giQgPWtHnrjdd2ZEBHotzZYHKHyRwNTIehl2b75dItyQILZkHHM-u6l7qMSm8nuaK43e03GNZBjqwSpTzyLmQ7N99aEYhLqr0Fn4o9T00uDOb75-dykxXH-5FY_c09CdDXjOfX7KGUdLGCjs2fRoD6jJcPD7dCWAW5UtEUVYumEx8zWv4lfEld3kAXQ5aFERR7uATqNHCpHOn2EvZW77MuCekEVX3t2vrrszfu_LyclhJHGWHpx1IamjoImph8i7L11qE9xpj0Ahg&smid=url-share)** > > The former president was told that he could appear before a Manhattan grand jury next week if he wishes to testify, a strong indication that an indictment could soon follow. From the article: > The prosecutors offered Mr. Trump the chance to testify next week before the grand jury that has been hearing evidence in the potential case, the people said. Such offers almost always indicate an indictment is close; it would be unusual for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, to notify a potential defendant without ultimately seeking charges against him. > > In New York, potential defendants have the right to answer questions in the grand jury before they are indicted, but they rarely testify, and Mr. Trump is likely to decline the offer. His lawyers could also meet privately with the prosecutors in hopes of fending off criminal charges. It’s a start. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9125 "2023-03-09T22:58:17Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > The judge can read it, too, and he might be unwilling to trust the product of your lawyer without a lot of extra hurdles and double-checks. You mean an activist liberal judge? A proper originalist judge, appointed by Trump, may not care. > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > One of my former coworkers got five years probation in a plea deal for accounting fraud (his boss, his boss’s boss and his boss’ boss’ boss did federal time). He has had no trouble finding work as an accountant, though his CPA license has been permanently revoked. Really? I mean being willing to commit fraud is a plus in certain circles, but getting your boss, boss’s boss and boss’s boss’s boss in jail doesn’t sound like a positive. Anyone can commit fraud, it take skill not to get caught. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9126 "2023-03-09T23:51:59Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Really? I mean being willing to commit fraud is a plus in certain circles, but getting your boss, boss’s boss and boss’s boss’s boss in jail doesn’t sound like a positive. > > Anyone can commit fraud, it take skill not to get caught. He was willing to follow illegal instructions, when the rest of us wouldn’t. He was also willing to lie to investigators until his boss “flipped”. He had been given a promotion and options with an intrinsic value of over $1M back when that was real money. There’s a market for people who stay bought. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=455) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=457)