# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/901 "2021-02-23T04:32:56Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-tried-to-dodge-being-served-with-dollar1-billion-dominion-voting-systems-lawsuit-source-says/ar-BB1dVsTT?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-tried-to-dodge-being-served-with-dollar1-billion-dominion-voting-systems-lawsuit-source-says/ar-BB1dVsTT?li=BBnb7Kz) > Finally, on Feb. 10, Giuliani’s assistant accepted service on his behalf. And was promptly fired. Tell me this is not the way it works, legally. If he kept squirming like a toad he could avoid answering even when he has acknowledged publicly that he knew it was coming?? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/902 "2021-02-23T04:43:46Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Tell me this is not the way it works, legally. If he kept squirming like a toad he could avoid answering even when he has acknowledged publicly that he knew it was coming?? IANAL, but yeah, part of taking somebody to court is making sure that they have the relevant paperwork in their possession (service of process), which is part of “due process”. Defendants have to have the information about the claims against them and when/where they’re expected to be in court. No, I don’t understand either why somebody would try to avoid service of process for a court case they know full well is coming their way. It doesn’t enable you to avoid the charges against you, just makes the process more complicated and possibly more punitive. But I have pretty much given up trying to understand why the hell Giuliani does anything. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/903 "2021-02-23T05:00:15Z")
Defendants who avoid service can be served by publication or by email. But you have to convince the judge that you tried _really hard_ to serve them in person first. It’s a pain, so lawyers will often employ process servers to track people down and try to serve them wherever possible before applying for alternative service as a last resort. Anyway, the point is you don’t magically get out of a lawsuit by dodging service, but you can delay it for a few weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/904 "2021-02-23T05:23:56Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > I’d never even heard of CPAC prior to Agent Orange blabbering there… I had, so it surprised me when I heard that he would be speaking there. After all, what would Donald Trump be doing speaking on the **C** anadian **P** arliamentary **A** ffairs **C** hannel? (Yes, such a channel actually exists in Canada.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/905 "2021-02-23T05:42:47Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But I have pretty much given up trying to understand why the hell Giuliani does anything. That should be his epitaph – it’s so perfect! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/906 "2021-02-23T05:49:27Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > ANAL, but yeah, part of taking somebody to court is making sure that they have the relevant paperwork in their possession (service of process), which is part of “due process”. Defendants have to have the information about the claims against them and when/where they’re expected to be in court. Lo many years ago I was a process server in Illinois for a family attorney. To serve the papers you just had to be in front of the target and get them to acknowledge their name then offer the papers, whether or not they were received. You could drop them on the ground, whatever. You’d sign an affidavit after that you’d identified the person and left the documents. Basic strategy: knock on their door, or if there’s been avoidance go to their work and ask for them. They answer the door/come to the front desk, you cheerfully say, “special delivery for Troy M. Defendent!”; at that point if they accept the papers or say some version of "I’m Troy, " : done. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/907 "2021-02-23T14:09:16Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Defendants who avoid service can be served by publication or by email. But you have to convince the judge that you tried _really hard_ to serve them in person first. It’s a pain, so lawyers will often employ process servers to track people down and try to serve them wherever possible before applying for alternative service as a last resort. > > Anyway, the point is you don’t magically get out of a lawsuit by dodging service, but you can delay it for a few weeks. I expect that dodging service to the point the plaintiff asks a judge to permit service by publication is an excellent way to make that judge positively disposed to you once the legal proceedings get underway. This is all part of Rudy’s superior legal strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/909 "2021-02-23T21:41:55Z")
I seem to recall reading a similar story about Sidney Powell - she was supposedly dodging the process servers for a week or two before they finally nailed her. And then she was like “I wasn’t trying to avoid them, I was just traveling a lot.” 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/910 "2021-02-23T22:52:42Z")
Apparently there’s a legal loophole where if you can successfully avoid being caught by the process servers for the entirety of the song “Yakity Sax”, you don’t have to go to court. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/911 "2021-02-23T23:35:19Z")
That doesn’t apply to Louisiana because it’s not a common law state. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/912 "2021-02-24T00:04:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apparently there’s a legal loophole where if you can successfully avoid being caught by the process servers for the entirety of the song “Yakity Sax”, you don’t have to go to court. Are you allowed to run through random doors in a hallway and put on split-second disguises? The law is weird. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/913 "2021-02-24T01:04:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apparently there’s a legal loophole where if you can successfully avoid being caught by the process servers for the entirety of the song “Yakity Sax”, you don’t have to go to court. Could someone do it “Benny Hill” style, where you’re chased by a bunch of topless ladies? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/914 "2021-02-24T01:18:10Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Are you allowed to run through random doors in a hallway and put on split-second disguises? I believe it’s actually required by the Constitution. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Could someone do it “Benny Hill” style, where you’re chased by a bunch of topless ladies? Only if the topless ladies are trying to serve you papers. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/915 "2021-02-24T01:25:57Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I believe it’s actually required by the Constitution. Oh yes, it actually is! Article IV, Section 2. Here it is: A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/916 "2021-02-24T15:31:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apparently there’s a legal loophole where if you can successfully avoid being caught by the process servers for the entirety of the song “Yakity Sax”, you don’t have to go to court. This post slew me yesterday. I’m still trying to get over it! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/917 "2021-02-25T00:41:17Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > This post slew me yesterday. I’m still trying to get over it! It made me go watch the [2015 Sun City escaped llama chase](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8mUMSi5M8g) again. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/918 "2021-02-25T00:45:54Z")
[Russian Airport Car Chase](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4FIvtNYZLk) ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/919 "2021-02-25T00:53:50Z")
That Russian Airport Car Chase is hilarious! I was especially impressed that the driver used his turn signal in Baggage Claim. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/920 "2021-02-25T01:28:03Z")
I mean, the driver was quite considerate, under difficult circumstances. He drove slowly enough both to avoid running down any innocent bystanders, and to allow the the chasing police who slipped over enough time to recover and catch up to him, to allow the farce to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/921 "2021-02-25T02:06:46Z")
I was impressed with how he squeezed his car through doorways that weren’t much wider than the car. Whoever was in that car could really drive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=47)