# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 499
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9967 "2023-05-13T01:01:10Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Here’s the way it should go, and it’s the way it’s gone for everyone else in front of a judge. But it is different. Few if any people in this country have the ability to speak and be heard as widely as Trump. In reality, most defendants would be lucky to get 5 people to listen to their bullshit, and therefore don’t require instruction. Trump, sadly, can reach millions. Like it or not, he’s a former president – however ill-deserved – and will be afforded many considerations not given to others. I hate it too, but I understand why. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9968 "2023-05-13T01:09:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Judge: You are ordered not to use evidence for any purpose unrelated to this trial. > Prosecution, the very instant the defendent violates that order: Judge, the defendant violated the order. > Judge: Defendant, you are held in contempt. Bailiff, take him into custody. Trump: You can’t do that! Do you know who I am?! Judge: A citizen of the United States, subject to its laws and my authority. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9969 "2023-05-13T01:52:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’m either stunned, appalled, flabbergasted, or just sick to my stomach (maybe a combination of the foregoing) about this incredibly lenient and special treatment he’s getting in the court. While the remote attendance is indeed an unearned perk, I agree that the reasons behind it are likely less about an advantage to Trump, rather than a stern warning as stated upthread. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m sure he will. But his lawyers will advise him that this is classic laying-the-groundwork for more harsh measures to be taken in future when if he violates the protection order. He won’t be able to claim he was ignorant of the limitations placed on him by the judge. So as Aspenglow pointed out, this leaves him up the proverbial creek if he fails to comply. No wiggle room. And I agree, that it is _extremely_ unlikely he won’t at some point or another put himself in contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9970 "2023-05-13T02:07:16Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Judge orders Trump to attend lecture on how not to violate evidence disclosure rules …from which he will understand and retain less information than a dog sniffing another dog’s ass. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9971 "2023-05-13T08:32:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’m either stunned, appalled, flabbergasted, or just sick to my stomach (maybe a combination of the foregoing) about this incredibly lenient and special treatment he’s getting in the court. I’ve never heard of a judge ordering someone to take a fucking class on how to follow the judge’s orders. Here’s the way it should go, and it’s the way it’s gone for everyone else in front of a judge. > > Judge: You are ordered not to use evidence for any purpose unrelated to this trial. > Prosecution, the very instant the defendent violates that order: Judge, the defendant violated the order. > Judge: Defendant, you are held in contempt. Bailiff, take him into custody. > > What the fuck? Yeah, this. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9972 "2023-05-13T09:24:59Z")
The couple that [commits treason together ~~stays together~~ go to different prisons](https://www.yahoo.com/news/built-life-near-charlotte-jan-215251386.html): > **They built a new life near Charlotte after Jan. 6. Now, husband, wife are going to prison.** > > The owners of “Free Folk Pastures” are no longer free. > > Instead, Dale “D.J.” Shalvey and Tara Stottlemyer, who run a regenerative cattle and poultry farm 45 miles north of Charlotte, have become North Carolina’s first husband and wife sentenced to prison for their roles in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. > > On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly of Washington ordered Shalvey and Stottlemyer to serve 41 and eight months, respectively. They will begin their sentences at a later date. The best part of this story is the judge was appointed by Tan the Conman. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9973 "2023-05-13T12:03:35Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > So as Aspenglow pointed out, this leaves him up the proverbial creek if he fails to comply. No wiggle room. And I agree, that it is _extremely_ unlikely he won’t at some point or another put himself in contempt. It’s also a bit like judges dealing with those sovereign citizen idiots. The judge really wants to ensure that they have a fair trial, so that they can’t dispute the outcome, no matter what it is. So the judge goes nuts on the details, to make sure the appearance of fairness prevails. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9974 "2023-05-13T12:49:58Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > The judge really wants to ensure that they have a fair trial, so that they can’t dispute the outcome, no matter what it is. It’s also not hyperbole to say these judges have to be careful about being the proverbial straw for all the non-arrested lunatics still out there. A judge who orders Trump’s arrest is going to bear some of the responsibility for what happens immediately afterwards. Whether we like it or not, Trump is fully capable of going the rest of the way off the deep end and calling for another insurrection. Or maybe he just gives another of his “won’t somebody rid me of these troublesome priests” speeches and another MAGA nut goes on a shooting. So the judge can give a perfectly legal order that is almost certain to result in _some_ kind of terrible nonsense. Or he can treat Trump with kid gloves, because it’s not _his_ fault that our country handed a narcissistic toddler this kind of influence and power. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9975 "2023-05-13T13:04:09Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > … have become North Carolina’s first husband and wife sentenced to prison for their roles in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. That is such an odd fact to point out. Were other married couples in contention? In addition to prison time do they also get a years supply of Rice-A-Roni? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9976 "2023-05-13T13:17:08Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > …from which he will understand and retain less information than a dog sniffing another dog’s ass. My understanding is that a dog gets a shitload of information from sniffing another dog’s butt, so I reject your comparison. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9977 "2023-05-13T13:24:16Z")
Agreed, but he did say “less” so he’s not _wrong_. Though it’s a bit like saying that liquid helium is less warm than the sun’s core. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9978 "2023-05-13T13:27:46Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > In addition to prison time do they also get a years supply of Rice-A-Roni? I thought there were rules against cruel and unusual punishments? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9979 "2023-05-13T13:43:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > North Carolina’s first husband and wife sentenced to prison for their roles in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Were other married couples in contention? Actually, yes: > **[N.C. Woman Who Stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 with Her Husband and Son, 14,...](https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-breach/n-c-woman-who-stormed-the-capitol-on-jan-6-with-her-husband-and-son-14-sentenced-to-months-behind-bars/)** > > The North Carolina woman who illegally entered the Capitol on Jan. 6 with her 14-year-old son has been sentenced to three months in prison. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9980 "2023-05-13T15:58:52Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > It’s also a bit like judges dealing with those sovereign citizen idiots. Snipping a part of @Horatius’s response (which I fully agree with) because… this is a profound realization for me. Trump is in some ways the Ultimate Expression of a SovCit Diety. The laws that bind others don’t bind him (or at least, so he states, and to date hasn’t yet been bound by them), he’s a _special being_ and his own entity/Brand that others can only interact with through careful contracts, and everyone else recognizes that in a way that SovCits expect but don’t actually get. Sure, he doesn’t use the various spells/language of an actual SovCit, but from the outside, he looks like a SC ideal made life. But also like a SovCit, he feels that the laws are for other people but not for him. I’ll be pondering on this for a while in terms of my understandings of Trump and some of those who follow him as a slightly different angle of understanding. Thanks! [of course, it won’t take away from my cancerous burning hatred of Trump and his enablers and supporters, but will if anything, probably increase it] ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9981 "2023-05-14T14:15:13Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > > N.C. Woman Who Stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 with Her Husband and Son, 14,… “The family that betrays together, stays together!” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9982 "2023-05-15T14:39:40Z")
Cancellation of outdoor Trump rally in Iowa: fear of a bigger blowhard\* or not drawing crowds like he used to? > **[Did Trump cancel Iowa rally to avoid having smaller crowd than DeSantis?](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-desantis-iowa-crowd-size-b2338700.html)** > > DeSantis continued to meet voters just minutes from where Trump was to speak \*i.e.: tornado. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9983 "2023-05-15T15:12:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Cancellation of outdoor Trump rally in Iowa: fear of a bigger blowhard Well, there was a tornado watch for virtually the entire state. Of course, we Midwesterners know that a ‘watch’ doesn’t mean shit. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9984 "2023-05-15T15:21:05Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Cancellation of outdoor Trump rally in Iowa: fear of a bigger blowhard\* I said the headlines should have said, “God cancels Trump rally, Christians still not getting the message”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9985 "2023-05-15T21:17:03Z")
It’s a bit old, but still one of the best put-downs of Trump and his followers. And put to music! [SUCKERS - Randy Rainbow Song Parody - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb219dz_NeA) ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/9986 "2023-05-15T22:13:27Z")
Concerning Rudy Giuliani, an enabler of the tallest order: > [@WAY more than you wanted to know about Rudy Giuliani](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095): > > I was going to start this in P&E but frankly there’s zero chance it wouldn’t end up in the Pit anyway, as you will see. Also: Trigger Warning as the linked document gives details of sexual assault. Short version: Former employee Noelle Dunphy has filed a legal complaint against Rudy Giuliani for “unlawful abuses of power, wide-ranging sexual assault and harassment, wage theft, and other misconduct”. The full complaint is now available online, and all I can say about it is holy shit, Rudy is an… If only half of the alleged crimes are true I cannot help but wonder how those people did get away with it for so long. Well, they still are getting away with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=498) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=500)