# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1202 "2021-03-23T19:41:34Z")
Yeah, I suppose threatening to murder witnesses would tend to get your bail denied. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1203 "2021-03-23T19:45:00Z")
Threatening to murder his own kids. If this is that same guy. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1204 "2021-03-23T19:55:43Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Yeah, I suppose threatening to murder witnesses would tend to get your bail denied. Indeed. For some reason his lawyer’s brief didn’t address that fact. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1205 "2021-03-23T19:56:33Z")
It’s not the [same guy](https://www.newsweek.com/three-percenters-capitol-shoot-children-guy-reffitt-1562391). ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1206 "2021-03-23T20:09:28Z")
> [@Law & Crime](#): > > A member of the Oath Keeper militia charged with coordinating a military-style attack on the U.S. Capitol is asking a federal judge to reconsider a ruling that will keep him in jail until the start of his criminal trial. Also from the article,… > [@](#): > > “The Government alleged in the Complaint Mr. Young removed his Facebook account January 7, 2021 – well before Mr. Young was aware of any investigation centered on him, and well before he received notice that a warrant for his arrest had issued on February 15, 2021,” read the motion. “He is a person who protects and helps vulnerable people; not a person who attacks, destroys, and injures, as the United States would have the Court believe. But, if he deleted his Facebook account on January 7, then he knew damned well that what he did on the 6th was illegal, and that he did attack, destroy, and injure. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1207 "2021-03-23T20:18:15Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > “The psychological burdens of being detained pending trial are very real for Mr. Young. Since he has no previous experience with the criminal justice system, being detained is taking an extremely high toll on his mental well-being… Because he is such a strong family man, locking him up away from his wife and children with the prospect of an extremely long period of time before trial is even scheduled is causing potentially irreparable psychological and emotional damage to Mr. Young. This struck me as a ridiculously prolix way to describe somebody as a ‘fucking snowflake.’ Journalists paid by the word/attorneys paid by the hour 😉 [you’d think somebody for whom the strain of jail would be so intense would have been more circumspect about trying to overthrow a government, though, huh ?] ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1208 "2021-03-23T20:18:17Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > and that he did attack, destroy, and injure. And terrify. The PTSD among the capitol police, staff and Congresspersons may haunt them for the rest of their lives. Then let’s throw in that they were trying to disenfranchise every American who voted for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1209 "2021-03-24T00:04:54Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > > > If her defense is successful, does that mean that she can be prosecuted for each of the suits she filed in the election? > > Not _prosecuted,_ but certainly disciplined by the bar or sanctioned by the court. One would hope so. But one might be disappointed. Of all the Trump attorneys in the clown car—Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Lin Wood, et al—have ANY faced any consequences at all for their conduct? Has even one state bar association raised a hand to say ‘er, maybe you shouldn’t be doing what you’re doing’…?? Even Jay Sekulow, who stayed clear of the Overturn-the-Election shenanigans, was credibly charged with bad conduct over a year ago—but apparently is still in great with his bar association: > [@](#): > > … Charity watchdogs for years have raised concerns about the blurred lines between for-profit businesses tied to Sekulow and the complex web of non-profit entities he and his family control. > > The Associated Press reviewed 10 years of tax returns for the ACLJ and other charities tied to Sekulow, which are released to the public under federal law. The records from 2008 to 2017, the most recent year available, show that more than $65 million in charitable funds were paid to Sekulow, his wife, his sons, his brother, his sister-in-law, his nephew and corporations they own. … > **[Charities steered $65M to Trump lawyer Sekulow and family](https://apnews.com/article/district-of-columbia-donald-trump-us-news-ap-top-news-politics-9d2ed80ca912d18abd6650f55d2db935)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — Jay Sekulow, one of President Donald Trump’s lead attorneys during the impeachment trial, is being paid for his legal work through a rented $80-a-month mailbox a block away from the White House. I begin to suspect that there’s nothing that could result in even sanctions for these malefactors—much less disbarment. (And I’d love to be wrong about this.) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1210 "2021-03-24T04:59:18Z")
More fun and 'freude for Trump, courtesy of WaPo: > **[Trump hotels have been dropped by a major luxury travel agency network](https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/03/23/trump-hotels-virtuoso-travel-agency/)** > > Virtuoso will no longer list the properties on its website. Major global network of high-end luxury travel agencies (that I’ve never heard of before, but maybe I’m not in their market demographic) de-lists Trump hotels. > [@](#): > > “Trump Hotels are no longer part of the Virtuoso network,” spokeswoman Misty Belles said in a statement. “We consider many variables when reviewing both existing and new network participation. Out of respect for all involved parties, and as a general policy, we do not share comments regarding our non-renewal and exit decisions.” > > The split, which was first reported by Zenger News, means the hotels are not listed on Virtuoso’s website, and the network’s advisers will no longer be able to access previously negotiated benefits for travelers. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1211 "2021-03-24T11:09:38Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I begin to suspect that there’s nothing that could result in even sanctions for these malefactors—much less disbarment. Years ago my lawyer brother told me that about the only thing that will get you automatically disbarred is stealing client funds from things like earnest money accounts. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1212 "2021-03-24T11:11:56Z")
I used to work in the luxury travel industry. Virtuoso is a consortium of travel agents _and_ travel suppliers, and it’s got a fair amount of stroke in the industry. Suppliers like hotel properties pay an annual fee to be part of the consortium, but are expected to adhere to certain standards of quality of service. It is entirely possible that the hotels stiffed Virtuoso for the annual fee, and so they were dropped. It could also be that Virtuoso dropped them over quality issues. I stayed at Doral once, and couldn’t understand why it was considered a “luxury” product; it was a mid-market airport Marriott with gold-colored appurtenances. In keeping with the brand, I met the Sales Director for the Trump DC hotel at a conference once and she was _ **nuts** _ . And not the fun kind. Like very, very unpleasant. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1213 "2021-03-24T13:37:17Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > In keeping with the brand, I met the Sales Director for the Trump DC hotel at a conference once and she was _ **nuts** _. You can’t drop a nugget like that without sharing the details, man! ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1214 "2021-03-24T13:50:39Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > More fun and 'freude for Trump, courtesy of WaPo: Gosh darn it, I just saw this in my news feed and was rushing to this thread to hopefully be the first to gleefully post it. Until (if /when) the investigations into his finances bear fruit, seeing what’s left of his real estate empire crash and burn is my major source of trump Shadenfreude. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1215 "2021-03-24T14:07:27Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > > [@carlb](#): > > > > In keeping with the brand, I met the Sales Director for the Trump DC hotel at a conference once and she was _ **nuts** _ . > > You can’t drop a nugget like that without sharing the details, man! Not too much more to tell. It was an industry annual conference, and part of the day is a “speed dating” round where we advisors would sit at little tables and every 3 minutes a different supplier would come around to tell you what’s new with them, current promotions, etc. Pretty sure this was 2017. There were three of us at our table, and we saw that Trump DC was coming up. We all agreed that we would be professional, civil, and courteous. The sales director began by asking us if we had ever booked their property. I stated, truthfully, that I just didn’t get business in DC, and so it was a non-issue for me. I thought that was a nice way to sort of not engage without being rude. She then asked if we would consider booking their hotel should the opportunity arise, and I couldn’t lie; I said probably not, as it just didn’t seem like a property my typical client would be interested in (again, true, I think). She then point-blank asked if that was because we didn’t like Trump. I said that, in all honesty, I was uncomfortable with the President of the United States having going business interests like this. Again, true, and about as polite a way as I could think to dodge the question. She _went off._ She was clearly tired of hearing anti-Trump sentiments (which was why I tried to leave some graceful exit points), but it was also clear that she was of a Trump type; no efforts to be persuasive or conciliatory - just on and on about what a great property it is, and how it wasn’t fair that we should penalize all the hard working men and women at the hotel just because we were against the President, all in a really aggressive manner; she was actively berating us for our reluctance. At some point she asked (and this is almost verbatim), “one of our doormen is a young man from Guatemala. Should he lose his job and have to go back there just because you won’t book guests at our hotel?” I lost it. I informed her that if her only strategy to win us over was guilt, then they had a lousy business plan and I had no interest in them whatsoever. I found the head of our agency and filled him in, and he assured me he’d speak to some people at Virtuoso. I never did see her again at any industry events. Funny thing is that about an hour later we met with the rep from what was then the Trump Hotel in Toronto. Lovely young lady, pleasant as can be, and we had a very nice chat. One of my colleagues did casually mention the DC rep, and this young woman just lowered her gaze, shook her head sadly and said, “yeah…” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1216 "2021-03-24T14:09:23Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > Not too much more to tell. Don’t sell yourself short, that was a great story. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1217 "2021-03-24T14:21:19Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > “Trump Hotels are no longer part of the Virtuoso network,” spokeswoman Misty Belles said Wasn’t Misty Belles a 1970’s porn star? ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1218 "2021-03-24T14:34:56Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Wasn’t Misty Belles a 1970’s porn star? Google search says no. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1219 "2021-03-24T16:37:58Z")
As does IAFD. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1220 "2021-03-24T17:17:32Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Wasn’t Misty Belles a 1970’s porn star? Heh, three cars ago my car’s color was describe by Honda as “misty beige.” One of my co-workers said it sounded like a Playboy centerfold (back when this was still a thing). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1221 "2021-03-24T17:46:55Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > It is entirely possible that the hotels stiffed Virtuoso for the annual fee A Trump property stiffing a business partner? Say it ain’t so! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=62)