# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537 "2020-11-14T00:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1924 "2021-06-27T06:14:48Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I saw in one article a while ago that Javanka reported _income_ of upwards of $100 million in the last year of reporting as public servants. I don’t think they’ll be doing any double-wide shopping. I’m hoping that the youngin’s are as leveraged as the old man is. One piece I saw yesterday was that if NY and/or the feds decide to go after TrumpCo, either in addition to or in place of the individuals, the banks – at least the US ones – will immediately call in their loans. In huge loans like that it’s written into the loan contract that a indicted company’s loans are immediately since the banks don’t want to be left holding the bag in case the company gets convicted and is forced to dissolve. While they may have a magnificent income stream now – grift pays well while it lasts – if they have huge loans, like Trump was reported to have a couple years back, that stream is going to end and they have no realistic way of paying the loans. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1925 "2021-06-27T14:16:58Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > While they may have a magnificent income stream now – grift pays well while it lasts – if they have huge loans, like Trump was reported to have a couple years back, that stream is going to end and they have no realistic way of paying the loans. Come to think of it, isn’t there close to a billion dollars in loans out on Trump’s personal guarantee? Weren’t they supposed to be due soon. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1926 "2021-06-27T15:10:29Z")
Like cold fusion, Trump’s utter financial collapse always seems to be about ten years away. And this isn’t going to change the minds of any of his most ardent supporters, alas: > **[Trump's big lie about 2020 results suffers legal and political blows in key...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/2020-election-falsehoods-voting/index.html)** > > It was a bad week for the Big Lie -- former President Donald Trump and his allies' false claims that widespread fraud is to blame for his 2020 election loss. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1927 "2021-06-27T18:05:21Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Come to think of it, isn’t there close to a billion dollars in loans out on Trump’s personal guarantee? Weren’t they supposed to be due soon. Yes, and yes. That’s what I was thinking of in my post #1924. Allegedly the reason he was borrowing from Russians laundered through Deutsche Bank was because none of the other banks would lend to him. Those that have loans outstanding from the past will now have a reason – and the ability – to recall the loans of TrumpCo gets indicted. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1928 "2021-06-27T23:41:17Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Frankly, I dont know if they’ll ever get enough on Trump directly to file criminal charges against him. He doesn’t use email, doesn’t put things in writing, doesn’t let people take notes on anything and doesn’t give direct instructions. For months now I’ve been trying to find succinct, linkable sources detailing how various organized crime figures have been indicted and convicted, _despite their iron-clad habits of being indirect_ in their instructions to minions (to do crimes). I guess my search terms are at fault as I’m not finding the on-point citations I want, but as we all know, many organized crime bosses HAVE been convicted and WERE indirect in their dealings with underlings. There is no doubt at all that the NY prosecutors are well aware of the problem of proving that indirect communications can be just as effective as direct communications when it comes to inciting and committing crimes. I’m no expert but I’d guess it’s important to show a negative: that the crime boss (e.g. Donald Trump) _could not have been unaware_ that the crime (e.g. tax fraud) was taking place. This will be a fascinating story when it’s finally told. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1929 "2021-06-28T01:04:49Z")
I have been reading The Five Families by Selwyn Raab about the history of the New York Mafia. Getting direct evidence that various godfathers knew of or directed various crimes was indeed challenging. Prosecutors’ main weapons were wiretaps and informers or turncoats like Sammy Gravano who agreed to testify against their former associates. Don’t know about wiretaps but I’d bet there are Trump associates who would be willing to testify, esp if by doing so they themselves would escape legal.jeopardy. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1930 "2021-06-28T01:08:30Z")
This is exactly why they’re leaning so hard on Weisselberg. He’s hopefully the turncoat who can testify against the Trump family. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1931 "2021-06-28T01:33:29Z")
And also Matthew Calamari, the current COO. > **[Trump's ex-bodyguard Matthew Calamari has lawyered up, on New York...](https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-ex-bodyguard-matthew-calamari-122544629.html)** > > Trump's ex-bodyguard Matthew Calamari has lawyered up, on New York prosecutors' advice > New York prosecutors investigating former President Donald Trump’s business have advised Trump’s former bodyguard and current chief operating officer, Matthew Calamari, and his son that they should get their own lawyers, not use the Trump Organization’s attorneys, [_The Wall Street Journal_ reports](https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-bodyguard-matthew-calamari-11624308000?mod=hp_lead_pos12), citing people familiar with the matter. Prosecutors are reportedly looking into whether the Calamaris have illegally avoided paying taxes on benefits provided by the Trump Organization, including housing and cars. Remember that Al Capone ended up in jail for tax evasion, not any of the more egregious things he did. This is the one thing that pretty much has to generate a paper trail. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1932 "2021-06-28T01:36:45Z")
Remember the rule: Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit. This apparently applies to Everyone as well. All of them are headed for insolvency or jail or both. While Trump and his spawn skates, and laughs at them. And so it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1933 "2021-06-28T11:20:40Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit. The Merde-as Touch! ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1934 "2021-06-28T12:10:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Remember the rule: > > Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit. I am not sure that is strictly speaking true, but it comes [close](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00112urinal.html). ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1935 "2021-06-28T12:35:56Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The Merde-as Touch! You mean the Merde-ASS touch. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1936 "2021-06-28T13:12:37Z")
I think I might be very smug if I were a deputy DA meeting with these jokers today: > **[Trump Organization lawyers to meet Monday with Manhattan DA prosecutors | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/politics/trump-organization-manhattan-district-attorney-prosecutors/index.html)** > > Lawyers for the Trump Organization are expected to meet Monday with prosecutors from the Manhattan district attorney's office in an effort to convince them not to pursue charges against the company, according to a source familiar with the matter. And see: > **[Breaking away from Trump | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/27/opinions/breaking-away-from-trump-opinion-column-galant/index.html)** > > The reverberations of Trump's big lie -- that the election was stolen from him -- continue five months after he left the White House. But while he maintains a strong hold on many Republicans, there are some signs of Trump's flagging influence. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1937 "2021-06-28T14:10:10Z")
Well I’m glad that there’s something specific happening regarding Trump Org. We’ve had about 2 months of copy + paste the same clickbait headlines from the media organizations of essentially “Trump’s done for” with the actual content just being some speculation about what might happen eventually. For that matter, what happened with Gaetz? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1938 "2021-06-28T15:01:23Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > For that matter, what happened with Gaetz? They say the wheels of justice grind slowly but exceedingly fine. The first half of that is certainly true. In our society, the second half is a bit more aspirational than I would like. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1939 "2021-06-28T15:49:09Z")
The millls of God, actually, as stated by Longfellow: > [@](#): > > Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small; > Though with patience He stands waiting, with exactness grinds He all.” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1940 "2021-06-28T16:11:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Everything Trump Touches Turns To Shit. > > This apparently applies to Everyone as well. Just the other day Maddow had a piece on the fate of Trump’s lawyers. [Giuliani Learns Trump’s Orbit Is A Dangerous Place For Lawyers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbU8KtdijOA) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1941 "2021-06-28T19:14:39Z")
I’d hate to aspirate anything from Gaetz. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1942 "2021-06-28T21:58:26Z")
[https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2021/06/28/inside-gun-surrendering-criminal-mark-mccloskeys-very-sad-st-louis-rally](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2021/06/28/inside-gun-surrendering-criminal-mark-mccloskeys-very-sad-st-louis-rally) This right here? This is some poetry. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537/1943 "2021-06-28T22:16:11Z")
McCloskey and Lindel should start a Gun Pillow company. It’s sure to be a hit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-1/925537.md?page=98)