# A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250 "2023-05-19T03:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 129
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2561 "2023-10-20T02:18:59Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > You would certainly expect anyone licenses to practice law to know which courts they’d been admitted to. As you say, it’s simple to do and is a well-understood feature of American law in IAFAIK all 50 states. A key rule for a business-centric money is that if the cost to doing something - e.g. being a rockstar who is arrested for snorting cocaine - is smaller than the reward - e.g. getting headlines that play up the scandal and make your band a household name - then you should go ahead and do what you need to do. Trump is a bad businessman, on the whole, but I think he did pick up a few lessons from his dad and that’s one of them. So the question doesn’t have to be, “How could someone make that mistake?” It can also be, “What’s the cost? What’s the benefit?” If the benefit is an illegitimate trial that can go to appeals and be forced into a do-over…that might be worth it. That’s not necessarily the consideration here. It could also be things like Trump’s legal budget, prioritizing, etc. But it’s possible that it’s more about gaming the system than incompetence, I’d suggest. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2562 "2023-10-20T02:26:26Z")
It’s hard to successfully appeal on the basis of ineffective counsel when you chose them. The idea that trump and his henchmen and advisors hatched a plan to have a non-admitted attorney file various motions and such that are now void so they could somehow gum up the works seems far-fetched. Never attribute to great skill and genius that which can be explained by shortsighted incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2563 "2023-10-20T02:39:31Z")
Lauro is - [according to LegalEagle](https://youtu.be/Lhy5Y8xVHS0?si=aoxJQ7VQOTjzaBKm) - one of Trump’s few competent lawyers. Possibly the guy is just sleep deprived from being overworked on all Trump’s self-inflicted legal issues, but it isn’t the sort of mistake that this particular lawyer should be making - as I understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2564 "2023-10-20T03:03:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Trump and his team seem to operate on the assumption that if they commit offenses openly, clearly they’re not offenses because if they were, why would they admit it? So they have less intelligence that the average house cat, who knows when it’s done something that should be covered up. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2565 "2023-10-20T03:03:59Z")
You know, while it’s not shadenfreude news, I had a shadenfreude thought I’d figure I’d share. With everyone gloriously sharing the reports from inside the Republican conference, I wonder just how many of those folks are thinking “wow, wouldn’t it be nice on the other side” as Jeffries has managed to have 18 votes now with unanimous support. Sure, they’d never admit it, nor would or should they are their craven bigotry ever be accepted… but isn’t it fun to imagine them daydreaming of a sane situation while their “leaders” are cussing each other out and getting in fisticuffs? 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2566 "2023-10-20T07:00:00Z")
While everyone was focused on Powell’s deal, this also happened: > **[Michigan Republican charged in false elector plot agrees to cooperation deal](https://apnews.com/article/fake-elector-michigan-trump-fdfe984cfbefb4bc374ca844b80ed825)** > > The Michigan Attorney General's office says a Michigan Republican accused of participating in a fake elector plot had his case dismissed Thursday after a cooperation agreement was reached. Another cookie crumbles… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2567 "2023-10-20T08:05:46Z")
The leopards are eating each other’s faces. > **[GOP lawmakers block each other on social media in escalation of infighting](https://www.rawstory.com/gop-blocking-each-other/)** > > The rancor amongst Republicans in Washington over the House Speaker vacancy has some flinging insults and sinking to high school hallway social media blocking.Rep. Greg Murphy, M.D. (R-NC) went tit-for-tat on Twitter/X with Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC)... ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2568 "2023-10-20T11:11:37Z")
IIRC the thugs who ran Hitler’s SA in the days before he was appointed Chancellor were increasingly prone to the same sort of vicious internecine fighting. To such a disruptive extent that once Hitler was in power, all the goons who thought they’d ride his coattails into a comfy position high up in the police / secret police hierarchy instead found themselves sidelined or arrested or most urgently & surprisingly dead. History does not repeat. But it often rhymes. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2569 "2023-10-20T14:16:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > To such a disruptive extent that once Hitler was in power, all the goons who thought they’d ride his coattails into a comfy position high up in the police / secret police hierarchy instead found themselves sidelined or arrested or most urgently & surprisingly dead. Yep, as the Freedum Caucus is currently learning, having a bunch of thugs and bomb-throwers as supporters is great when you’re trying to take power, but they’re an utter pain in the ass once you have power, and are expected to actually start governing shit. Any idiot can destroy, but building things is much harder. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2570 "2023-10-20T14:21:16Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Freedum Caucus I keep reading this as ‘Freedom Circus’. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2571 "2023-10-20T14:22:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ‘Freedom Circus’. Except I might actually want to watch that. What kinds of acts would they have, do you suppose? “Juggling Conflicting Rights”? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2572 "2023-10-20T14:44:08Z")
I don’t know whether you would consider Silvio Berlusco(glio)ni tanTrump’s enabler, but he sure was a precedent that made his rise more feasible. Well, leaving apart the fact that he (Berlusco(glio)ni) died earlier this year, giving me much coveted points in the Death Pool next door thread, he has left his art collection to posterity, in particular to his heirs, who now are spending 800.000 €/yr just in warehouse costs. Problem is, the whole collection comprising about 25,000 paintings with an average value of 800 € per painting includes, perhaps, six or seven with any artistic value, the rest being what Italian art critics call _croste_ (I can’t find a derisive enough term in English, art connoisseurs may be able to help). He (Berlusco(glio)ni) allegedly bought most of them impulsively from TV auctions late at nicht, while suffering from insomnia in his last years. Now they (both Berlusco(glio)ni and his paintings) are being eaten by worms. As per the article, in some cases, the cost of exterminating the pests exceeds the value of the paintings. ([cite](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67162602), [cite](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/silvio-berlusconi-heirs-weigh-up-fate-of-his-mostly-worthless-art-collection)) I see something auspicious in this whole story. May others follow his example! ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2573 "2023-10-20T14:55:49Z")
I would not be surprised by an explicable fire breaking out soon. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2574 "2023-10-20T14:58:38Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > > ‘Freedom Circus’. > > Except I might actually want to watch that. What kinds of acts would they have, do you suppose? “Juggling Conflicting Rights”? More like “Juggling Conflicting Lies”, I would guess. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2575 "2023-10-20T15:03:46Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Possibly the guy is just sleep deprived from being overworked on all Trump’s self-inflicted legal issues, but it isn’t the sort of mistake that this particular lawyer should be making - as I understand it. I don’t want to defend the guy, but it could be just a matter of the application being in process and he thought that was sufficient (or completed). Also, I believe I got one of those letters once, and I simply had to point out to the clerk that I was indeed admitted in their court. Mistakes happen. Some by the court, some by lawyers’ legal assistants. As I stated earlier, this is a very small hiccup, and we shouldn’t draw any conclusions from it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2576 "2023-10-20T15:54:28Z")
> **[Judge Chastises Trump For 'Blatant Violation of the Gag Order' on His Clerk,...](https://themessenger.com/politics/trump-gag-order-blatant-violation-judge-engoron)** > > New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron is upset Trump failed to delete a post attacking his clerk on his campaign page, weeks after the imposition of a gag order. The judge is letting Trump sweat a while too. Hee hee! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2577 "2023-10-20T17:10:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The judge is letting Trump sweat a while too. Hee hee! I do hope the judge summons Trump to court and asks him to explain in detail why this post disparaging the judges clerk remained on the webpage for so long. And asks him if he understands the Gag Order. Talks to Trump in small, clear words as one would do to a toddler. Keeps him on the stand talking for an hour or so. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2578 "2023-10-20T17:10:48Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Problem is, the whole collection comprising about 25,000 paintings with an average value of 800 € per painting includes, perhaps, six or seven with any artistic value, the rest being what Italian art critics call _croste_ (I can’t find a derisive enough term in English, art connoisseurs may be able to help). Tacky motel room art? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2579 "2023-10-20T17:13:49Z")
And then there’s this. Note that this won’t just impact Mr Robertson - it could catch Trump as well. > **[Conviction of Jan. 6 Defendant For ‘Corruptly’ Obstructing Congress Upheld](https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/conviction-of-jan.-6-defendant-for-corruptly-obstructing-congress-upheld)** > > The court’s ruling on 18 U.S.C. 1512(c)(2) will have far-reaching consequences for the hundreds of Jan. 6 defendants charged under the same statute, including Trump ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/2580 "2023-10-20T17:16:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > [https://themessenger.com/politics/trump-gag-order-blatant-violation-judge-engoron](https://themessenger.com/politics/trump-gag-order-blatant-violation-judge-engoron) > > The judge is letting Trump sweat a while too. Hee hee! From the article: New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron asks from the bench… > …why Trump shouldn’t face “serious sanctions” for his “blatant violation of the gag order,” such as fines or “possibly imprisoning him.” Yes, why not, indeed? Forget the fines though-- those mean nothing to him. Please, please put him in jail for it, if only for a couple days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=128) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250.md?page=130)